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Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 04:04:05 PM »
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  • Apologies for not listening to your Pierce video. I read his book Who We Are a while back but didn't retain much. He's always struck me as an exploiter of white anxieties. I looked on Google for some dirt on him and found this: http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?1057-Did-William-Pierce-run-a-ZOG-False-Front-Organization
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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 05:07:17 AM »
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  • Apologies for not listening to your Pierce video. I read his book Who We Are a while back but didn't retain much. He's always struck me as an exploiter of white anxieties. I looked on Google for some dirt on him and found this: http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?1057-Did-William-Pierce-run-a-ZOG-False-Front-Organization

    I agree.  Please check out this article on him: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=164973

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
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  • I agree.  Please check out this article on him: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=164973
    The Plot Against Christ
    Lasha Darkmoon — Darkmoon Jan 15, 2018
    Is Christianity a “slave religion” designed to turn Christians into wimps and sissies? 
     
    “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matthew: 19:24)
    Christianity, we are frequently told, is a Jєωιѕн plot. It was cunningly designed to emasculate Christians and turn them into wimps. It does this by encouraging Christians to love their enemies and turn the other cheek. So goes a popular conspiracy theory popularized by the late White Nationalist leader Dr William Pierce. Root out Christianity and return to your pagan roots, Dr Pierce urges. Christianity is a “slave religion” and will turn you into a pathetic pacifist incapable of standing up to your enemies.
    Here are some significant extracts from Pierce’s history of the White Race, Who We Are. These ideas have had a persuasive effect on many who were looking for pretexts to dump Christianity and find salvation elsewhere:
    —  “For more than two centuries it [Christianity] festered in the sewers and catacombs of Rome, along with dozens of other alien religious sects from the Levant; its first adherents were Rome’s slaves, a cosmopolitan lot from all the lands conquered by the Romans. It was a religion designed to appeal to slaves: blessed are the poor, the meek, the wretched, the despised, it told them, for you shall inherit the earth from the strong, the brave, the proud, and the mighty; there will be pie in the sky for all believers, and the rest will suffer eternal torment. It appealed directly to a sense of envy and resentment of the weak against the strong.”
    —  “A Frank of the seventh or eighth century would tremble in superstitious awe before some fragment of bone or vial of dried blood which the Church had declared a sacred relic with miracle-working powers—but if you smote him on the cheek you would have a fight on your hands, not another cheek turned. As for the brotherhood of man and equality in the eyes of the Lord, the Germans had no time for such nonsense; when confronted with non-Whites, they instinctively reached for the nearest lethal weapon.”
    —  “Slave Morality. But Christian ethics—the slave morality preached in the Roman catacombs—was like a time bomb ticking away in Europe—a Trojan horse brought inside the fortress, waiting for its season. That season came, and the damage was done. Today Christianity is one of the most active forces working from within to destroy the White race.”
    —  “The inversion of natural values inherent in the exalting of the botched, the unclean, and the poor in spirit in the Sermon on the Mount—the injunction to “resist not evil”—all are prescriptions for racial ѕυιcιdє. Indeed, had a fiendishly clever enemy set out to concoct a set of doctrines intended to lead the White race to its destruction, he could hardly have done better.”
    —  Extracts from William Pierce’s”. (Emphasis added)
    You get the idea. Christianity is the great weakener. If you want to be strong, dump Christianity.
    Dr Pierce’s ideas are well-expressed and obviously sincere, but other thinkers before him had nurtured the same beliefs.  Dr Pierce was clearly influenced by Nietzsche who had raved against Christianity in his Antichrist. Note this. There is not a single historical fact in Nietzsche’s rhetoric: just fine words and histrionic posturing, befitting a man who sounded more like a mad prophet than a wise philosopher.
    Let’s hear what Nietzsche has to say. It is even more extreme, verging on hysteria, than anything Dr Pierce had to say. We are used to this sort of thing now, but in 1895, when these words first burst into print, they must have struck most readers as the ravings of a lunatic:
    “Christianity remains to this day the greatest misfortune of humanity…. Our age knows better. What was formerly merely sickly now becomes indecent—it is indecent to be a Christian today…. I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough—I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race.”
    — Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist
    Can you see a single factual statement here? Unfortunately, you cannot. You see only rhetoric and mood music, the verbal froth and fury of a man who was at the end of his tether and was soon to be pronounced clinically insane.
    You can’t have it both ways. If the Jєωs invented Christianity as a cunning ploy to weaken Christians and turn them into natural-born slaves, which is what the Christ-bashing conspiracy theorists maintain, then you need to explain why the Jєωs have spent so much of their time and energy, ever since the foundation of Christianity, trying to destroy the very thing they should never have created in the first place. Why create a Frankenstein monster in Palestine 2000 years ago—i.e., Christianity, under the alleged distorter and corrupter of Christ’s original teachings, St Paul—in order to spend the next 2000 years trying to destroy it? The inability to answer this simple question has never troubled the conspiracy theorists who move in a world beyond the tedious limitations of logic and fact.
    I will ask this awkward question again and challenge the Christ-bashing conspiracy theorists to answer it: If Christianity is so mad, bad and dangerous to organized Jєωry that they should have spent the last 2000 years trying to destroy it, why did they bother to create it in the first place under the aegis of the allegedly wicked and scheming St Paul?
    If you can answer that, fine; if you cannot, why keep spreading these preposterous conspiracy theories?
    We need to clarify here that neither Nietzsche nor Dr William Pierce went so far as to state that Christianity had actually been cooked up and planned by an evil cabal of Jєωs, with St Paul as the ringleader, so as to bring the whole edifice of Christianity crashing down like a house of cards at some later date. This is a much later conspiracy theory which is in vogue today among the more wild-eyed Christophobes who infest the internet. The reader will be familiar with these types, for whom no evidence for their bizarre theories is ever necessary.
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    Another fatal flaw in the argument of these logically challenged conspiracy theories theorists is their glib assumption that Christians have all read Christ’s Sermon on the Mount and been profoundly influenced by its message. Having been infected by Christ’s noble words in St Matthew’s Gospel, these 2.1 billion Christians have all decided to implement its instructions to the letter, swept away by devout enthusiasm. One can imagine some hypothetical individual, at one moment a fierce Viking warrior, suddenly morphing into a pathetic wimp after picking up his New Testament and casting an eye over its contents—something he would have been most unlikely to do in any case, given that New Testaments and Bibles in the vernacular were almost non-existent in those distant days before the invention of the printing press in the mid-fifteenth century. Most Bibles were then in Latin, totally inaccessible to all but an infinitesimal minority of learned monks and clerics.
    You are being asked to believe the absurdity that 2.1 billion Christians have been exposed to the extreme pacifism of Christ’s Sermon on the Mount—in which they are told to turn the other cheek and love their enemies—and that this exposure to Christ’s pacifist ideas has induced a mass hypnosis in them, turning 2.1 billion Christians into wimps and sissies. But since when did the injunction “Be ye therefore perfect” produce perfection? Long before Christ came on the scene, telling us to be perfect, Moses had given the Jєωs the Ten Commandments. Have these commandments, drummed into the Jєωιѕн mind over the millennia, produced a race of model citizens? No, they have certainly not. They have had no effect whatever in turning Jєωιѕн sinners, en masse, into Jєωιѕн saints. So why should Christ’s pacifist teachings turn most Christians into servile sissies when Moses’ Ten Commandments have notably failed to turn most Jєωs into paragons of virtue?
    I wish someone had asked Dr Pierce this question: Do most Christians, when you strike them on the right cheek, turn the other cheek and invite you to strike that cheek also? If so, I have yet to come across one such Christian.
    One has only to look at the blood-soaked history of Europe and America to see that Christians are among the most belligerent people on earth, despite the pacifist teachings of Christianity. Ever since the foundation of Christianity, Christian nations have waged war without ceasing, killing off vast numbers of people without agonizing too much about it. The Crusades were not fought by pathologically altruistic Christians. Nor was the British Empire, on which the sun never set, acquired by exemplary Christians with a sword in one hand and a New Testament in the other. In short, Christianity has had no effect whatsoever in turning its adherents into limp-wristed poltroons. If this is why the Jєωs “invented” Christianity—to emasculate Chrisitans—they failed spectacularly.
    Christ’s Sermon on the Mount, ironically, didn’t even turn Christ into a wimp. For if Christ had followed his own teachings at all times, he would hardly have taken a whip to the moneychangers in the temple. The same man who said “Blessed are the peacemakers” also said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”
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    The world would be an infinitely worse place today if all of us were to give up our religious beliefs and become atheists instead, given that more millions (100 million-plus) have died under atheistical Communism in the 20th century than at any other time in history.
    One of the most brilliant mathematicians and philosophers of the 17th century, Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), had a mind-altering mystical experience which turned his entire life upside down. There was no need for any tiresome logic chopping, ratiocination or “empirical evidence” after that. He had entered into intimate contact with the Divine. And that’s all that mattered:
    “On 23 November 1654, between 10:30 and 12:30 at night, Pascal had an intense religious vision and immediately recorded the experience in a brief note to himself which began: “Fire. God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob, not of the philosophers and the scholars…” and concluded by quoting Psalm 119:16: “I will not forget thy word. Amen.” He seems to have carefully sewn this docuмent into his coat and always transferred it when he changed clothes; a servant discovered it only by chance after his death.”
    When it comes to the difference between faith and what the scoffers like to call “blind belief”, Pascal said it best: “The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know. We feel it in a thousand things. It is the heart which experiences God, and not the reason. This, then, is faith: God felt by the heart—not by reason.” (See here)
    These words bring to mind Hamlet’s famous comment to his friend Horatio, “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Words that were more or less echoed in the twentieth century by the great biologist J.B.S. Haldane: “The universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.”
    In the last analysis, there is every reason to believe that Christianity and the great Oriental religions—in particular Buddhism and Vedanta—are perfectly compatible with modern science. According to Vedanta, Mind is everything. Mind did not arise out of matter, but matter out of mind. In the beginning, only Mind existed.
    The great physicist Sir James Jeans was once asked in an interview: “Do you believe that life on this planet is the result of some sort of accident, or do you believe that it is a part of some great scheme?” He replied:
    “I incline to the idealistic theory that consciousness is fundamental, and that the material universe is derivative from consciousness, not consciousness from the material universe. In general, the universe seems to me to be nearer to a Great Thought than to a great machine. It may well be that each individual consciousness ought to be compared to brain-cell in a Universal Mind.
    Take some time now to consider the work of the theoretical physicist and theologian John Charlton Polkinghorne. Born in 1930, Polkinghorne managed to combine quantum physics and mathematics with Christian theology, becoming a practicing Anglican priest while serving as Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University. He achieved this synthesis in several acclaimed books which included The Quantum World (1989), Quantum Physics and the World (1989), Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship (2005), Exploring Reality: The Intertwining of Science and Religion (2007), and Questions of Truth (2009).
    Polkinghorne was knighted by the Queen of England in 1997, and in 2002 he received the £1 million ($1.45 million) Templeton Prize, awarded for “exceptional contributions to affirming life’s spiritual dimension.”
    When political radicals like William Pierce call for the death and destruction of Christianity, they have no concept what cultural vandalism they are advocating. Renaissance masterpieces produced by Christian artists like Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and Raphael are among the most celebrated works of art ever produced. If Christianity had been aborted in the womb or destroyed in its infancy, none of these great works of genius would ever have seen the light of day, for Christianity provided the rich soil which gave them birth.
    The most admired classical music in the Western canon is the Christian sacred music of composers like Pachelbel, Vivaldi, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert and Verdi. Many well-known historical figures who influenced Western science considered themselves Christian: Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Boyle.
    According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.” (See Role of Christianity in Civilization).
    By all means disparage Christianity if that’s what you need to do, but at least take the trouble to find out the names of the stellar luminaries you are disparaging. Ask yourself, in all honesty, if your own contributions to human welfare have been greater than those provided by renowned Christians—I pick out their names at random—like Pascal, Mozart, Beethoven, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, JS Bach, Botticelli, Tintoretto, Velazqez, Michaelangelo, Milton, Leonardo da Vinci, Copernicus, Galileo, Leibniz, Lavoisier, Marconi, Mendel, Tielhard de Chardin, Swedenborg, Albertus Magnus, Thomas More, JRR Tolkien, William Tyndale, William Wilberforce, Dietrich Bohhoeffer, Meister Eckhart, Erasmus, St Teresa of Avila, Joan of Arc, Florence Nightingale, and a thousand other illustrious names one could invoke in a long litany of praise.

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    Collage of photos of 49 renowned Christians from all walks of life: Saint PeterPaul the ApostleJohn of DamascusSaint HelenaSaints Cyril and MethodiusThe Romanovs, Sun Yat-senConstantine the GreatCharlemagneJoan of ArcThomas AquinasAugustine of HippoCatherine of Siena, Antoni GaudíMichelangeloJean-Bapt iste de La SalleMaria TheresaJean CalvinTeresa of ÁvilaAnton ChekhovBrothers GrimmIsaac NewtonMartin LutherChristopher ColumbusLudwig van BeethovenGalileo GalileiWilliam ShakespeareWolfgang Amadeus MozartLeonardo da VinciThérèse of LisieuxGregor MendelJohn D. RockefellerFlorence NightingaleLouis PasteurMax PlanckMartin Luther King Jr.Mother TeresaJohn F. KennedyPatriarch Bartholomew I of ConstantinoplePope John Paul IILeo TolstoyLuiz Inácio Lula da SilvaNelson MandelaLionel MessiCarlos Slim HelúMarissa MayerNovak DjokovicGerard ButlerFreida Pinto. (See here)
    —  §  —
    The glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome had its culmination in the magnificent achievements of Europe and its people over the centuries. Whatever has been greatest in the last 2000 years of European civilization since Golgotha, and whatever bears the stamp of its transcendent genius, was nurtured in the rich soil of Christianity. Europe would be a dead husk, a barren desert plunged in spiritual darkness, were it not for its Christian heritage.
    The fate of  Western civilization now lies in the balance and is threatened as never before. Abandoning Christianity, the source of our inner strength, would be a recipe for disaster and only hasten our doom.
    Scene: The Plaça de Sant Roc in Sabadell, a city in Catalonia, Spain, nestling on the banks of the lazy River Ripoli with its orange orchards and flour mills. Here you will find a few local musicians, in the market square, playing the most inspired music ever composed in the history of our planet. It is the Ode to Joy from the finale of Ludwig van Beethoven’s majestic Ninth Symphony (1824). Never before had mankind enjoyed the privilege of listening to such supernaturally sublime music—music utterly steeped in the ethos of Christianity out of which it arose, and whose numinous beauty has haunted even the minds of the most devout atheists.
    Listen to it now and reflect: Christianity gave us this precious gift. No neo-pagan, no humanist, no atheist or nihilist has ever produced a note of music to match this. Nor ever will.

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    Dr Lasha Darkmoon (b.1978) is an Anglo-American ex-academic with higher degrees in Classics whose political articles and poems have been translated into several languages. Most of her political essays can be found at The Occidental Observer and The TruthSeeker. Her own website, Darkmoon.me, is now within the top 1 percent of websites in the world according to the Alexa ranking system.

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 02:12:33 PM »
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  • The Jєωs are masters at false propaganda ghost writing.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 06:15:19 PM »
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  • Here is the sequel to the above posted article.  There are some on CathInfo who appear to have a distinct liking for Dr. Pierce.   Granted that some of the stuff he says is spot, but be careful!  A critique of him is highlighted in both articles and that is why I have posted them.  http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=168397

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 07:44:29 PM »
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  • I find both Darkmoon and Pierce wanting. I think both are part of the Jєωιѕн team.

    Darkmoon provides a laughably shallow defense of Christianity, something a Jєω would come up with.

    Pierce's emphasis on Christianity wimp-ifying whites is the type of argument that excites young men, particularly young men who've been emasculated. Not casting aspersions on all those who find him valuable, as it may have been through him and his type that they learned of certain suppressed realities. I didn't become anti-Jєωιѕн from reading obscure racialists with shady pasts, but from reading Joe Sobran in the late-90s.

    There's no truth about race or the Jєωs that one need get from Pierce, Robert Matthews, George Lincoln Rockwell, Don Black, David Duke and that ilk.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 10:50:26 AM »
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  • I find both Darkmoon and Pierce wanting. I think both are part of the Jєωιѕн team.

    Darkmoon provides a laughably shallow defense of Christianity, something a Jєω would come up with.

    Pierce's emphasis on Christianity wimp-ifying whites is the type of argument that excites young men, particularly young men who've been emasculated. Not casting aspersions on all those who find him valuable, as it may have been through him and his type that they learned of certain suppressed realities. I didn't become anti-Jєωιѕн from reading obscure racialists with shady pasts, but from reading Joe Sobran in the late-90s.

    There's no truth about race or the Jєωs that one need get from Pierce, Robert Matthews, George Lincoln Rockwell, Don Black, David Duke and that ilk.
    I agree that Darkmoon is wanting.  My quoting her was not meant to be an across the board endorsement of her or her work.  She has some fairly good stuff on her site, but from a Catholic perspective overall it is wanting.


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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2018, 02:48:21 PM »
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  • Pierce was an anti-Christian race-hustler. He's no better and no worse than Al Sharpton. If you want serious Catholic thought on moder politics, look into Dr. Thomas Fleming's work. 
    https://fleming.foundation/
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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 04:18:53 PM »
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  • Pierce was an anti-Christian race-hustler. He's no better and no worse than Al Sharpton. If you want serious Catholic thought on moder politics, look into Dr. Thomas Fleming's work.
    https://fleming.foundation/

    I don't know about serious, but his writings on 9-11 are pure bunk.  I don't know how anyone in their right mind and half way informed could take it seriously.  One week after this major crime he had an article confirming for the ignorant the official government/MSM lie: 19 lone nut Muslims hijacked the planes, crashed them into the WTC buildings and brought them down,  bla, bla, bla.  He added hot air to his article by quoting his neo-con Zionist sidekick and Foreign Affairs Editor, Srdja Trifkovic, of the Chronicles Magazine which Fleming headed up a the time.

    The worst of it is that Fleming and the Chronicles Magazine continued over the years to run cover for the real culprits behind 9-11.  Fleming finally left the Chronicles, but the propagandist Srdja Trifkovic is still there -- still hanging in as Foreign Affairs Editor.  With 9-11 cover up artists like Fleming and The Chronicles crew is it any wonder that so many Americans remain dumb on the subject and submissive to the non-stop "perpetual wars for perpetual peace" propaganda?

    I remember submitting a comment contesting the Chronicles false 9-11 narrative on one of their 9-11 articles.  It was up for a short time and then scrubbed from the site.

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
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  • I don't know about serious, but his writings on 9-11 are pure bunk.  I don't know how anyone in their right mind and half way informed could take it seriously.  One week after this major crime he had an article confirming for the ignorant the official government/MSM lie: 19 lone nut Muslims hijacked the planes, crashed them into the WTC buildings and brought them down,  bla, bla, bla.  He added hot air to his article by quoting his neo-con Zionist sidekick and Foreign Affairs Editor, Srdja Trifkovic, of the Chronicles Magazine which Fleming headed up a the time.

    The worst of it is that Fleming and the Chronicles Magazine continued over the years to run cover for the real culprits behind 9-11.  Fleming finally left the Chronicles, but the propagandist Srdja Trifkovic is still there -- still hanging in as Foreign Affairs Editor.  With 9-11 cover up artists like Fleming and The Chronicles crew is it any wonder that so many Americans remain dumb on the subject and submissive to the non-stop "perpetual wars for perpetual peace" propaganda?

    I remember submitting a comment contesting the Chronicles false 9-11 narrative on one of their 9-11 articles.  It was up for a short time and then scrubbed from the site.
    9/11 cօռspιʀαcιҽs? So Feeneyism isn't the worst of what we have on Cathinfo
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
    « Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 04:49:16 PM »
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  • 9/11 cօռspιʀαcιҽs? So Feeneyism isn't the worst of what we have on Cathinfo

    Do you even know what a conspiracy is?!  Of course, 9-11 was a conspiracy.  A ten year old with a basic understanding of science could tell you that the 19 crazed Muslim hijacker conspiracy -- you know that one pushed by the U.S. government and the JєωsMedia/MSM (and your admired Thomas Fleming and Chronicles crew) is pure garbage.

    How's the weather in TelAviv these days?

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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
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  • Do you even know what a conspiracy is?!  Of course, 9-11 was a conspiracy.  A ten year old with a basic understanding of science could tell you that the 19 crazed Muslim hijacker conspiracy -- you know that one pushed by the U.S. government and the JєωsMedia/MSM (and your admired Thomas Fleming and Chronicles crew) is pure garbage.

    How's the weather in TelAviv these days?
     Dr. Fleming  is a serious Traditional Catholic scholar who produces original work. He doesn't need to be a kook to get his points across. I don't really care what folks think of 9/11. The events happened, and going on and on about them is pointless. Let's say the government did do it. So what? What are you going to do about it? Read the Fathers/St. Thomas, get a good grasp on the Faith, and don't waste time on this junk.
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
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    Re: Dr. William Pierce: the white middle class
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  • Dr. Fleming  is a serious Traditional Catholic scholar who produces original work. He doesn't need to be a kook to get his points across. I don't really care what folks think of 9/11. The events happened, and going on and on about them is pointless. Let's say the government did do it. So what? What are you going to do about it? Read the Fathers/St. Thomas, get a good grasp on the Faith, and don't waste time on this junk.

    Wow, some really flippant comments here -- even for a self admitted college freshman!  Of course, Tom Fleming doesn't need to be a kook to get his points across.  I never claimed he did, but by his own writing on 9-11 (no small horror by any sane man's standards) he is a lot worse than a kook when he publicly pushes one of modern history's most idiotic conspiracy theories imaginable.

    There are all kinds of serious traditional Catholic scholars.  As such they should be concerned about speaking and writing the truth and only the truth.  They denigrate themselves and hold themselves up for rightful contempt when they publicly push pure neo-con/Zionist propaganda for the consumption of a dumbed down and politically correct population and or one that is largely held captive by their own cognitive dissonance.

    How is it that you just so flippantly blow off the question of 9-11?  Do you have anyone close to you that got killed or severely injured in the immoral, unjust, and criminal pre-emptive actions as well as occupations the United States has undertaken in the Middle East as a result of the false narrative which our own government has fed us, our government which in turn is largely held captive by the Israeli Lobby via AIPAC and hundreds of other Israeli/Jєωιѕн interest groups?  Do you even give a damn?

    Maybe you can follow in Fleming's footsteps and become an academic with your head wrapped up in your Latin and Greek and whatever else.  You can be like Fleming who appears to have absolutely no problem pushing a monstrously horrific false narrative which has literally led (as it was intended to lead by its originators) to incalculable death and destruction.  It turned out to be death and destruction (which is, of course, still ongoing) at a cost of literally millions of lost innocent lives and not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars.

    So what is your response to all that I've said?  I imagine it's what you've already said, that you just "don't really care what folks think of 9/11."  Maybe you think that if the Fathers and St. Thomas were alive today they would not -- in your words -- "waste time on this junk."  Well, you are very wrong.  After all they were wise and courageous saints who were not craven to human respect.  As such they would care deeply about catastrophes that caused untold human suffering, suffering which could very well be greatly mitigated in the present and even prevented in the future by bringing about an awareness of the truth of what led to all the death and destruction in the first place.  These saints didn't hide in ivory towers of Greek and Latin and write propaganda garbage for the powers that be.

    As for your telling me to, "Read the Fathers/St. Thomas, [and] get a good grasp on the Faith," I can assure you I have.  That in large part is why I have said what I have said I have in this thread.

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  • Wow, some really flippant comments here -- even for a self admitted college freshman!  Of course, Tom Fleming doesn't need to be a kook to get his points across.  I never claimed he did, but by his own writing on 9-11 (no small horror by any sane man's standards) he is a lot worse than a kook when he publicly pushes one of modern history's most idiotic conspiracy theories imaginable.

    There are all kinds of serious traditional Catholic scholars.  As such they should be concerned about speaking and writing the truth and only the truth.  They denigrate themselves and hold themselves up for rightful contempt when they publicly push pure neo-con/Zionist propaganda for the consumption of a dumbed down and politically correct population and or one that is largely held captive by their own cognitive dissonance.

    How is it that you just so flippantly blow off the question of 9-11?  Do you have anyone close to you that got killed or severely injured in the immoral, unjust, and criminal pre-emptive actions as well as occupations the United States has undertaken in the Middle East as a result of the false narrative which our own government has fed us, our government which in turn is largely held captive by the Israeli Lobby via AIPAC and hundreds of other Israeli/Jєωιѕн interest groups?  Do you even give a damn?

    Maybe you can follow in Fleming's footsteps and become an academic with your head wrapped up in your Latin and Greek and whatever else.  You can be like Fleming who appears to have absolutely no problem pushing a monstrously horrific false narrative which has literally led (as it was intended to lead by its originators) to incalculable death and destruction.  It turned out to be death and destruction (which is, of course, still ongoing) at a cost of literally millions of lost innocent lives and not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars.

    So what is your response to all that I've said?  I imagine it's what you've already said, that you just "don't really care what folks think of 9/11."  Maybe you think that if the Fathers and St. Thomas were alive today they would not -- in your words -- "waste time on this junk."  Well, you are very wrong.  After all they were wise and courageous saints who were not craven to human respect.  As such they would care deeply about catastrophes that caused untold human suffering, suffering which could very well be greatly mitigated in the present and even prevented in the future by bringing about an awareness of the truth of what led to all the death and destruction in the first place.  These saints didn't hide in ivory towers of Greek and Latin and write propaganda garbage for the powers that be.

    As for your telling me to, "Read the Fathers/St. Thomas, [and] get a good grasp on the Faith," I can assure you I have.  That in large part is why I have said what I have said I have in this thread.
    Even if all you say about 9/11 is true, so what? What are you going to do about it? Discussing this at length does nothing. I'm as opposed to the wars and nonsense that the US government has engaged in as anyone else( as is Fleming)
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9