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Offline Matthew

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I'm talking about the 1962 Liturgical calendar.

I just wanted to double check with the knowledgeable Catholics on here.

I need to know for planning purposes.

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Double check - is next Sunday the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 10:45:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I'm talking about the 1962 Liturgical calendar.

    I just wanted to double check with the knowledgeable Catholics on here.

    I need to know for planning purposes.

    Thanks!

    My calendar has Sunday within the Octave of the Sacred Heart.  

    Friday is First Friday AND Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
    Saturday is First Saturday.  

    But I don't know about the 1962 calendar, since they had eliminated octaves a lot.

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    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2016, 05:18:57 AM »
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  • I have next Sunday as the Third Sunday after Pentecost, Friday is the feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2016, 06:23:40 AM »
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  • The Solemnity of the Most Sacred Heart is always the second Friday after Pentecost even in the Novus Ordo calendar.  The date hasn't changed in many years so it doesn't matter which calendar your chapel uses (unless it's a pre-1856 calendar! :wink:)

    The Mass of the solemnity is sometimes celebrated on the following Sunday though I don't don't know if this is strictly authorized or if was simply done by individual priests or dioceses.  I tried looking this up online and couldn't find anything even indicating that it could be transferred (i.e., the way Ascension Thursday is transferred in the Novus Ordo or the way I've seen Corpus Christi transferred).

    I think you will need to contact the priest who will be at your chapel on Sunday to ask which Mass he will celebrate.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2016, 09:00:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat (May 30, 2016, 11:45 pm)
    Quote from: Matthew (May 30, 2016, 11:18 pm)
    [is next Sunday the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart?]  I'm talking about the 1962 Liturgical calendar.

    My calendar has Sunday within the Octave of the Sacred Heart.  Friday is First Friday AND Feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.  Saturday is First Saturday.

    Me too.  And the latter is also Saturday within the Octave.  It hadn't occurred to me that abolishing octaves could be  an excuse  a rationale for moving the feast to a Sunday.

    Quote from: Neil Obstat (May 30, 2016, 11:45 pm)
    But I don't know about the 1962 calendar, since they had eliminated octaves a lot.

    Me neither, altho' I believe that's technically the 1960 liturgical calendar ("Good Pope John" XXIII, proprietor).  I'd always assumed that when Pope Pius IX extended the increasingly popular feast to the Universal Church (1856), the Feast of the Most Sacred Heart was simply placed on the first available day after the Octave Day of Corpus Christi (a Thursday by definition), thus a Friday.

    But despite the time I've devoted to calendrical analysis, I never pondered how all that above relates--chronologically--to the customary votive devotion to the Sacred Heart on Fridays.  Or (having previously failed to make the logical connection) to the likewise customary votive devotion to the Blessed Sacrament (literally Corpus Christi only, for us laity) on Thursdays.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 10:00:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew (May 30, 2016, 11:18 pm)
    [is next Sunday the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart?]   I'm talking about the 1962 Liturgical calendar.  I just wanted to double check with the knowledgeable Catholics on here.

    Should readers assume that you, despite being a former seminarian, don't have any current or past Ordo according to the 1960 liturgical calendar, in which you could find its list of Masses "Pro Populo", or an example showing whether that year's "Solemnity of the Sacred Heart" was identified as a Friday or a Sunday?

    And you checked not only 1962 lay "daily" missals, but also your chapel's 1962 Missale Romanum, and found neither a list of movable feasts nor a perpetual calendar?

    My compilation shows "Sacratissimi Cordis
    • DNIC", in the 1960 calendar, as at the top-rank: "I", and by what seems to be majority rule for secular (i.e.: nonregular, in the sense of not customized by a religious order) Roman-Use liturgical calendars before John XXIII, previously ranked as double 1st class.  So it seems to me that it ought to have more than enough dignity to be listed in at least 1 of the sources that I enumerated.  Conversely, a complete absence would be really odd.

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      Note *: Genitive case seems to be customary for all but a handful of high-ranking feasts that are listed in the nominative--or was that the ablative--I've forgotten (altho' the latter could've been transient editorial errors; my sample size is too small to have confidence in any guess I might make).

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    « Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 10:39:34 PM »
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  • Pius XII suppressed the octaves in 1955, to take effect in 56. All but 3 octaves were eliminated. This is a not a roncalli innovation.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 05:09:10 AM »
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  • A 2016 Liturgical calendar I have (1962) states that the External Solemnity of the Most Sacred Heart may be offered this Sunday as a votive Mass of the 2nd class with a commemoration of the 3rd Sunday after Pentecost. I checked with Father and this is the Mass he will be using tomorrow.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 03:32:17 PM »
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  • Which Mass did you prepare for?

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    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 03:42:41 PM »
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    Which Mass did you prepare for?


    I'm preparing for the Mass of the Sacred Heart.

    It will be a High Mass for us here, so I picked "Mass XII - Pater Cuncta" for the kyriale. That's what St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary used every First Friday for their sung Mass -- they sang the same Mass, too (Feast of the Sacred Heart).
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    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 07:53:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    Which Mass did you prepare for?


    I'm preparing for the Mass of the Sacred Heart.

    It will be a High Mass for us here, so I picked "Mass XII - Pater Cuncta" for the kyriale. That's what St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary used every First Friday for their sung Mass -- they sang the same Mass, too (Feast of the Sacred Heart).


    Fantastic.  I'm looking forward to finding out what Mass is said at the chapel I will be attending on Sunday.


     

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