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Offline Meg

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Re: Dominicans of Avrille
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 02:31:47 PM »
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  • Bp. Williamson was asked numerous times to stop attacking his superiors and did the exact opposite. He had his chance and made his choice( effectively “leaving” as it were) being booted out was a consequence of his rash choices.

    Are you aware of the reasons for why he was attacking his superiors?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 02:52:06 PM »
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  • Are you aware of the reasons for why he was attacking his superiors?
    Yes. He called for the resignation of Bp. Fellay
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9


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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 04:29:57 PM »
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  • Yes. He called for the resignation of Bp. Fellay


    True. What is your understanding of why Bp. Williamson called for Bp. Fellay's resignation?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 05:49:19 PM »
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  • Bp. Williamson was asked numerous times to stop attacking his superiors and did the exact opposite. He had his chance and made his choice( effectively “leaving” as it were) being booted out was a consequence of his rash choices.
    Bp.Williamson was expelled from the SSPX because he refused to stop writing the Eleison Comments which was exposing to the world the behind the scenes dealings of Bp.Fellay in his efforts to sell out the SSPX to Rome. 

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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 05:55:04 PM »
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  • What do y’all  know about these guys? I know they followed Bp. Williamson and the Resistance, but to what degree are they anti-SSPX? Could an SSPX sympathizer become a postulant with them? I sent them a short email message but haven’t gotten a reply yet. Is that the best way to contact them?
    Try contacting Fr. Reginald, as he is currently stationed in the USA with Bishop Zendajas. Do you live close to New York, Texas or Kansas? If so, try to make a visit the next time Fr. Reginald visits one the SAJM chapels.


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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 07:41:46 PM »
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  • Bp.Williamson was expelled from the SSPX because he refused to stop writing the Eleison Comments which was exposing to the world the behind the scenes dealings of Bp.Fellay in his efforts to sell out the SSPX to Rome.
    Nonsense. If Bp. Fellay wanted to sell the Society to Rome, he had many chances to do it. It’s 2019. Get over your delusion. 
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 09:45:24 PM »
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  • What do y’all  know about these guys? I know they followed Bp. Williamson and the Resistance, but to what degree are they anti-SSPX? Could an SSPX sympathizer become a postulant with them? I sent them a short email message but haven’t gotten a reply yet. Is that the best way to contact them?

    This may help you understand Avrille (and Menzingen):

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/steffeshausen_foundation.pdf

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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 10:12:29 PM »
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  • This may help you understand Avrille (and Menzingen):

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/steffeshausen_foundation.pdf

    And here are the "fruits" Banezian seeks, which by his own reasoning condemns the SSPX, and justifies Avrille:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/steffeshausen-dominicans-fail/


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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 10:40:18 PM »
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  • Nonsense. If Bp. Fellay wanted to sell the Society to Rome, he had many chances to do it. It’s 2019. Get over your delusion.

    Oh, how he tried!


    "Bishop Fellay letter to Pope Benedict XVI, June 17, 2012

    Holy Father,

    You see me confused at the time of hardships affect you and on which I assure you of my poor prayers, you have an additional problem rather than consolation.

    Indeed, on Wednesday June 13, Cardinal Levada gave me during a meeting was cordial, a doctrinal statement that I can not sign. Ignoring the plea not to touch the proposal I surrender, because of the consequences that would result, the new text takes just near all points of the Preamble of September 2011 which was difficult and I 'm had tried to dismiss.

    Unfortunately, in the current context of the Brotherhood, the new statement will not pass.

    I admit not knowing what to think. I understand that you were willing to postpone the resolution of disputes still pending on some points of the Council and of the liturgical reform, just as the Council of Florence had ignored the issue of divorce because adultery among the Greeks to get nevertheless the union, and I am committed to this perspective, despite the relatively strong opposition in the ranks of the Brotherhood and the price of major disorders. And I intend to continue to make every effort to continue on this path to reach the necessary clarifications.

    Now it seems that I am mistaken and that is really required full acceptance of the issues before moving forward ... If some of my recent comments add a new embarrassment, I regret it, but it was also for clarity.

    In addition, given the massive opposition that is prepared in some quarters of the Church along well make it impossible to work the new prelature, saw the same pressure from some states, I wonder how the project could be done in these circuмstances.

    It seems to me that only you can still change the course of events that emerges. It is obviously not for me to make any pressure, but simply to expose you to know the facts and if I'm wrong about your intentions on our situation. If you jugiez appropriate in this very delicate moment, I would ask for your kindness hearing (as discreet as possible) to hear your appreciation of your mouth about us.

    Your Holiness deign to believe my filial devotion and my dearest wish to serve the Holy Church.

    Menzingen, Sunday, June 17, 2012

    + Bernard Fellay"


    But never fear!  Eventually, he succeeded!

    As Mr. Jacques-Regis DuCray (de facto French language lay apologist for Menzingeen, former GREC member, and producer of the sanitized Archbishop Lefebvre docuмentary) recently stated, the deal, in the practical domain, is already done:


    "The recent visit of Father Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, to the Ecclesia Dei Commission in Rome, raised the eternal question of the relationship between the Holy See and the work founded in 1970 by Bishop Marcel Lefebvre, raising speculation about the opportunity to have this structure officially recognized by the Vatican. Here the minds are asking themselves whether or not it is a line that wants standardization that has taken over the Fraternity's control. Here, we are trying to find out whether doctrinal resolutions should be considered before thinking about a practical agreement, resuming a configuration more similar to the one that prevailed fifteen years ago. But where, in practice, should these discussions lead? Are they waiting for Rome to have definitively condemned Vatican II or are there only guarantees? This point remains to be clarified.



    Because the canonical situation of the Society of Saint Pius X is now very much normalized. The Mass celebrated by its members is now the same as the one that all priests in the world can read and sing since the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм of July 7, 2007. The condemnations that weighed on the bishops of the Fraternity were lifted by a decree of 21 January 2009. In 2015, the Holy See granted its Superior General powers to judge at first instance. The validity of the confessions administered by its priests was recognized by the apostolic letter Misericordia and Misera of November 20, 2016. In the same year, the Ecclesia Dei Commission asked the bishops in whose dioceses the seminaries of the Fraternity were located to accept the ordination ceremonies that were held there. Marriages contracted before the priests of the Fraternity are finally fully recognized by Rome, as attested by a letter from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith dated 27 March 2017. This docuмent even goes very far, it asks the priests of the Fraternity to send to the diocesan chancelleries the docuмents proving the marriage celebrations. These are placed in the middle of the registers of all other parishes and communities in good standing with the Church. Implicitly, because the sanctions have disappeared and its priests have received a canonical mission to administer the various sacraments, the Fraternity has regained its previous status, that which had been abolished on May 6, 1975, even if in reality it behaves like a personal prelature.

    Those who have taken the habit of refusing any normalization because through canonical links they fear bad influences have probably not noticed that these vectors have almost all been reconnected. Nothing is missing from the work, except a court of appeal for canonical trials that a prelature would allow it to obtain. One day it will also need to renew its bishops. In the current context, we hardly see what would prevent the Pope from granting them to it. The Society is finally like a car that has all the elements to drive: a body, wheels, steering wheel, armchairs, everything is brand new and nothing is missing. Due to both internal and external tensions on the subject, probably due to the current pontificate, there is hardly anything but the absence of a license plate that affects its condition, but all over the world now know that the car can drive as it pleases. Moreover, getting a church for a wedding or pilgrimage is no longer a problem. That is no longer the problem. So the Pope wanted.

    Faithful people from all walks of life can come to the churches of the Fraternity. Their consciences can no longer be subject to unrest and worry. This is precisely what the pontifical texts wanted to dispel. So when will the regularization, which has been almost entirely done in stages, be definitively formalized? Has it ever been in pectore? Will it ever be on a corner of the table, as if to complete what has already been brought in? It is possible. In any case, the Holy See has practically granted all priestly functions to the members of the Society of Saint Pius X. The Catholicity was established over the long term and not by virtue of conditions to be fulfilled. And it is only right that Bishop Lefebvre's work should be recognized in this way. This is what the latter had always demanded."
    http://tradinews.blogspot.com/2018/12/come-de-previgny-rorate-caeli-la.html

    So much for Bishop Fellay not selling out, or the Resistance jumping too quickly!

    As Fr. Pfluger once mused: "Don't be surprised if one day you awake, and the train is already in Rome!"

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    Re: Dominicans of Avrille
    « Reply #24 on: January 16, 2019, 12:31:29 AM »
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  • Nonsense. If Bp. Fellay wanted to sell the Society to Rome, he had many chances to do it. It’s 2019. Get over your delusion.

    It's a long story that started in the late 1990's but it became clear in 2009, when Bp. Fellay got caught using a German zionist attorney to set-up European shell corporations. He was so dumb to think he could hide it.  Then in 2011, his zionist attorney made it public that the SSPX had received nearly 100 million US dollars from an old-wealth family with a ʝʊdɛօ-masonic history.

    But Banezian can't discern "fruits". 

    It's obvious to traditional Catholics that the SSPX sold-out +ABL. 
    The neo-SSPX no longer criticize newRome or the Jєωs BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BOUGHT BY THE JєωS!

    The delay in settling the deal with Rome is all part of the ʝʊdɛօ-show biz plan.  It allows Menzingen to round-up as much of the traditional Catholic movement as possible and to discredit the Resistance movement.  Bp. Bernie Fellay instructions are to herd as many trads as possible under his tent before the deal is done.  They will squash the rest with their media assets.

    Banezian, get your pacifier and go to bed! :baby:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi