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Offline Mercyandjustice

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Does this deny free will?
« on: January 28, 2018, 01:19:21 AM »
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    • Daniel 4:32 

    And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing before him: for he doth according to his will, as well with the powers of heaven, as among the inhabitants of the earth: and there is none that can resist his hand, and say to him: Why hast thou done it? 
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    Offline Nadir

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    Re: Does this deny free will?
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 04:02:25 AM »
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    • Not at all. You cannot pick one verse and try to make it say something that it does not even mention.
    Here is the context:

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    [31] Now at the end of the days, I Nabuchodonosor lifted up my eyes to heaven, and my sense was restored to me: and I blessed the most High, and I praised and glorified him that liveth for ever: for his power is an everlasting power, and his kingdom is to all generations. 

    [32] And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing before him: for he doth according to his will, as well with the powers of heaven, as among the inhabitants of the earth: and there is none that can resist his hand, and say to him: Why hast thou done it? 

    [33] At the same time my sense returned to me, and I came to the honour and glory of my kingdom: and my shape returned to me: and my nobles, and my magistrates sought for me, and I was restored to my kingdom: and greater majesty was added to me. [34] Therefore I Nabuchodonosor do now praise, and magnify, and glorify the King of heaven: because all his works are true, and his ways judgments, and them that walk in pride he is able to abase.


    Nabuchodonosor has chosen to repent and to "praise, and magnify, and glorify the King of heaven".
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    Does this mean that God forced Nabuchodonosor against his will? No, it means that he has chosen to do God's Will freely. Although God is all powerful, as the verse you quoted illustrates, nevertheless, God gives all of us the choice of either accepting or rejecting His Gifts.
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    Re: Does this deny free will?
    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 10:49:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 28, 2018, 04:02:25 AM
    Not at all. You cannot pick one verse and try to make it say something that it does not even mention.
    Here is the context:


    Nabuchodonosor has chosen to repent and to "praise, and magnify, and glorify the King of heaven".
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    Does this mean that God forced Nabuchodonosor against his will? No, it means that he has chosen to do God's Will freely. Although God is all powerful, as the verse you quoted illustrates, nevertheless, God gives all of us the choice of either accepting or rejecting His Gifts.
    The verse clearly states that none can resist his will. I'm not sure how this makes sense if we can in fact resist his will for us... 
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    Re: Does this deny free will?
    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 02:04:07 PM »
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    • We have free will because he does not force His will. 
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    Re: Does this deny free will?
    « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 02:27:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mercyandjustice on January 28, 2018, 10:49:35 AM
    The verse clearly states that none can resist his will. I'm not sure how this makes sense if we can in fact resist his will for us...
    You are wrong. Reread the verse:
    [32] And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing before him: for he doth according to his will, as well with the powers of heaven, as among the inhabitants of the earth: and there is none that can resist his hand, and say to him: Why hast thou done it? 
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