Author Topic: Does anyone watch the VORTEX? (Read 2708 times)

TCat · « **on:** August 03, 2013, 05:46:06 PM »

I watch a program called the vortex. I look forward to every new episode but think Michael voris is too much of a fan of pope francis and not critical enough.

Anyone else watch this program?

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2013, 05:49:05 PM »

I know of the Vortex and have seen a few episodes. Michael Voris is not a traditionalist and does not support groups like the SSPX, but he is more Catholic than most. I heard that he is being persecuted by modernist bishops for being too militant.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:01:06 PM »

He says many truthful things, but he deliberately ignores the heresies of the Vatican II "popes" and misrepresents their teachings in order to paint them as "traditionalists" who cannot be held accountable for the liberalism and modernism which has overtaken the church. He is of good will, but he is in denial.

He has completely ignored Jorge Bergoglio's heresies on sodomites, ecuмenism, and the Papacy, among other things.

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:03:22 PM »

A trad. priest told me that Michael could not see the tree for the forest. However that saying goes. My question is, is Michael trying to give a solution crisis of the church? I don't think so. The solution is the power of the Precious Blood, that New Order does not have. Question: Is Michael doing what he does for $ support? How many more people do you know who talk until they are blue in the face and give no true solution. MIchael has been approached by the traditional remnant and he remains where he is.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:12:37 PM »

I won't go so far as to call him a fraud, but I think he's intellectually dishonest. At the very least, he's in denial regarding the papal claimants.

reconquest · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:34:26 PM »

Voris is a perfect example of a Middle Churcher.

Zeitun · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:40:45 PM »

He's a SAC (Standard American Catholic) or what we used to call "EWTN Faithful".

I put him in the same category as Drew Mariani, Al Kresta, and Marcus Grodi. They are like modern Sadducees.

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:08:12 PM »

At first (before BXVI "retired"), I'd thought it was good to have someone reasonably popular like Voris to help the masses question the Masses (what passes as 'mass', anyway).

But he's changed his quasi-trad tune as Humble Frank's humiliating bishopric has waned on for what feels like forever. If he hadn't, Voris would have risked alienating his paying customers, who turned out to be primarily NewChurchers just a bit uncomfortable with the paedo priest guilt, and who are fine with whatever Frank does. When Voris has even hinted about questioning Frank, which has been quite some time ago, his FB followers beat him down —and he's backed down; changed the subject to easier topics.

I fully expect him to start talking about ephemeral feelings and love soon (because what else is there to a Frankist?)

Zeitun · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:25:24 PM »

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At first (before BXVI "retired"), I'd thought it was good to have someone reasonably popular like Voris to help the masses question the Masses (what passes as 'mass', anyway).

But he's changed his quasi-trad tune as Humble Frank's humiliating bishopric has waned on for what feels like forever. If he hadn't, Voris would have risked alienating his paying customers, who turned out to be primarily NewChurchers just a bit uncomfortable with the paedo priest guilt, and who are fine with whatever Frank does. When Voris has even hinted about questioning Frank, which has been quite some time ago, his FB followers beat him down —and he's backed down; changed the subject to easier topics.

I fully expect him to start talking about ephemeral feelings and love soon (because what else is there to a Frankist?)

Exactly. We'll know Voris has jumped the shark when he starts talking about poverty and the rise of Neo-nαzιsm.

Ursus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:40:44 PM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

He says many truthful things, but he deliberately ignores the heresies of the Vatican II "popes" and misrepresents their teachings in order to paint them as "traditionalists" who cannot be held accountable for the liberalism and modernism which has overtaken the church. He is of good will, but he is in denial.

He has completely ignored Jorge Bergoglio's heresies on sodomites, ecuмenism, and the Papacy, among other things.

He touches on the church's problems and hot issues but avoids the MOST contentious. He's a good stepping stone for the lost N.O. people. It's packaged for daily topics and able to be followed by most people with a general understanding of Catholism.

It has its place and I don't see anything wrong with the program.

Eudes · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:52:12 PM »

I agree with virtually all of what has been said about Voris on this thread so far (and thumbed up a few). I will just add that I believe that ChurchMilitant.TV serves a useful purpose within the current structure of Catholic Internet "new media". If it wasn't for him the strongest "Catholic" voice on the Internet might be Mark Shea (aka "Captain Calumny") who is a perpetuator of false rumors and false church teaching. Back in 2006 Shea and another Patheos person who's name I can not recall began a long-term effort to ostracize E. Michael Jones and Mike Sungenis by calumniating them whenever possible (portraying them as irrational raving Jєω haters who long for a return of the Third Reich). Shea hates Voris and seems to thrive on bashing traditional Catholics. Given a choice between the two, Voris is far better than that caustic, capricious, carking, corpulent calumniator. I used to pay the $10/month for the premium service he offers and I found the additional content worthwhile fir a time. This value of his premium content depends on one's knowledge of the Faith so I leave that decision to others, he used to offer free weekend previews of the premium site content.
He's an advocate of the Baltimore Catechism and the TLM, he avoids bringing up modernism in the Papacy but otherwise he's a good guy basically.

While I do not particularly like the Dimond brothers, they have done at least two YouTube videos critical of Voris from their "home alone" Sedevacantist perspective, at least one of those was fairly watchable (they didn't scream HERESY !!!1!11!eleventy!!1! Every 20 seconds) and made some good points about Voris ignoring Francis' antics and disturbing statements. Novus Ordo Watch also had some reasonable material about Voris.

TCat · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2013, 09:15:52 AM »

Well I watch the vortex daily and would describe him as sympathetic to tradition and probably unsympathetic to what he calls the "weirdness" of the last 50 years.

One of the appeals of that show for me is that when watching I feel that there is still some chance of saving the mainstream church and bringing it back to tradition, whereas if the Dimond brothers were right, and I often think their arguments cannot be refuted, then the conclusion is that its the end of the world and the church is reduced to a remnant without priests or bishops and Catholic tradition wont permit someone to become a priest without the ordination by a bishop, so there is no hope then and the church was destroyed etc. I don't know what to think but I do find the vortex strengthens my faith and makes me want to fight for the church.

I also think he walks a thin line between praise of francis and benedict and admitting the attacks on tradition that comes from the novus ordo through them. I think he knows it and francis telling some Franciscan monastery not to say the TLM and only say the novus ordo has to be covered in a vortex and voris must explain himself, he cant keep saying francis is a traditional minded pope when things like this happen, and of course there is the beach ball...

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2013, 09:30:24 AM »

Quote from: Eudes

Back in 2006 Shea and another Patheos person who's name I can not recall began a long-term effort to ostracize E. Michael Jones and Mike Sungenis by calumniating them whenever possible (portraying them as irrational raving Jєω haters who long for a return of the Third Reich). Shea hates Voris and seems to thrive on bashing traditional Catholics.

Really? Geeze. I wish E. Michael Jones would have more video and audio available on the internet. I've noticed that he's been interviewed by Middle Eastern news a lot on the conflicts over there. Often, a middle-eastern news interviewer likes to inquire Jones about how America is losing its culture.

So. Shea is an enemy of Jone, eh? I bet Jones wrote Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit as a refutation and battle line against Shea's "αnтι-ѕємιтє" accusations. (Though, I know that was not the sole reason for writing a book like that.)

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the Dimond brothers,...made some good points about Voris ignoring Francis' antics and disturbing statements. Novus Ordo Watch also had some reasonable material about Voris.

I'm not a fan of the Dimond brothers, but this video of them talking about Voris in regards to Pope Francis sounds interesting. Do you have a link?

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As for Voris, I wish he wouldn't dance around an issue. Pope Francis seems to be developing into a situation. Chuckling and saying he's "messy" is an understatement.

I wish he would review one of the opinions of Ann Barnhardt. She's had a strong opinion of the Pope ever since they elected him. What would Voris have to say about Ann's words, I wonder?

Ursus · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:15:16 AM »

Voris had some recent shows describing Pope F as "messy" and detailing his problems in a way carefully. It shows tact, which is needed.

His one show explaining the "Jєωs" was excellent. Very clear understanding of who's really out there without taking sides or taking heat for exposing, explaining the truth.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:33:30 AM »

Quote from: TCat

I watch a program called the vortex. I look forward to every new episode but think Michael voris is too much of a fan of pope francis and not critical enough.

Anyone else watch this program?

Yeah, he seems to think that the media is intentionally misinterpreting Francis' "orthodox" teaching. He ignores the fact that Francis is inviting heretical interpretations of his words and actions and the fact that Francis has implied that he rejects his own authority.