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Offline nctradcath

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  • http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/blessings1.htm I would like to buy a copy if anyone can direct me to where it came from originally.

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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 10:04:51 PM »
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  • That is a nice image.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #2 on: August 14, 2017, 10:36:39 PM »
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  • http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/blessings1.htm I would like to buy a copy if anyone can direct me to where it came from originally.
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    You ought to send your question to Pauly Fongemie by e-mail--> fongemie@fairpoint.net
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    http://www.catholictradition.org/memorable-quotes.htm

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    From the Stigmatist, Julie Jahenny:

    On November 27, 1902 and May 10, 1904, Our Lord and Our Lady announced the conspiracy to invent the "New Mass": 

    "I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in My sight. When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this SECOND period ... The FIRST period is (the one) of my priesthood which exists since Me. The SECOND is (the one) of the persecution when the ENEMIES of the Faith and of Holy Religion (will impose their formulas) in the book of the second celebration ... These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of THE NEW MESSIAH."
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 11:09:26 PM »
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  • The site, catholictraditions.org, is not indexed very well. I couldn't find the Mary blessings area anywhere indexed, but a search engine found the front page:
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    Index page of Mary blessings:
    http://catholictradition.org/Mary/blessings.htm
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    At the bottom, it links an online store that offers this image for sale as a poster (price reduced to $7.79):
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    http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Madonna-Posters_i250656_.htm




    (The CI robot won't let me paste in the text from the vendor site. 
    This poster vendor in their product description doesn't mention the artist's name or the source of the original image, and I haven't seen this one before so I can't help you. Sorry.)

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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2017, 11:26:22 PM »
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    AH - HAA!! Using the source code page, I found the border image you're asking about.
    But still, no info on where it came from. You'll have to e-mail the site owner, as I said the first time.
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    That's a little reduced in width so it fits here without messing up stuff.
    Here is the source page info. The pertinent material is in bold:

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    <html>
    <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
    http-equiv="content-type">
    <title>THE BLESSINGS OF MARY</title>
    <meta content="Pauly Fongemie" name="author">
    </head>
    <body
    style="background-image: url(blessings-bdr.jpg); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(207, 218, 212);"
    alink="#336666" link="#990000" vlink="#000066">
    <div style="text-align: center;">
    <table style="width: 100%; text-align: left;" border="0" cellpadding="0"
    cellspacing="0">
    <tbody>
    <tr>
    <td style="width: 32%; vertical-align: top;">
    </td>
    <td style="width: 68%; text-align: center; vertical-align: top;">
    <big><big><big></big></big></big><img alt="BAR"
    src="blessings-bar1.gif" style="width: 515px; height: 113px;">
    <big><big><big>The Blessings of Mary</big></big><big
    style="font-weight: bold;">
    </big><small>Taken from </small></big><small><span
    style="font-weight: bold;">A GARLAND FOR OUR LADY</span>
    Irish Ursulines, 1920 with <span style="font-style: italic;">IMPRIMATUR</span></small>
    <img alt="BAR" src="blessings-bar2.gif"
    style="width: 515px; height: 113px;">
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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 10:12:41 AM »
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  • Nice find Neil
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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #6 on: August 15, 2017, 12:39:40 PM »
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  • Nice find Neil
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    Thanks. It was pretty exciting! But was it any use for nctradcath?
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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #7 on: August 15, 2017, 12:55:02 PM »
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  • http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/blessings1.htm

    I would like to buy a copy if anyone can direct me to where it came from originally.
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    What's not immediately obvious when you go to the page linked above, the border design on the left side appears to repeat down the page (the framed picture occurs several times, vertically). But the text on the right half of the page doesn't seem to be in any way related to it. Here is the palette border design:



    Once you look at the palette however, and read the page source info, you can see that the words on the right side are in fact written on top of the background that is part of the palette, and the palette is formed by a repeated or stacked set of the framed picture attached to a background zone that runs across the page to the right. We just don't see any joint between subsequent bands, which don't show up because it's the same color with no space in between bands. It is an illusion.
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    This "border" is abbreviated "bdr" in the code, 

    style="background-image: url(blessings-bdr.jpg); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(207, 218, 212);"
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    Interesting, no?
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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 07:58:06 PM »
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  • Looking at the bold colors of the artist, can sometimes give you a clue.  Brights reds and blues, I think is Europe.  You might find info that way.

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    Irish?/Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2017, 08:01:01 PM »
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  • Looking at the bold colors of the artist, can sometimes give you a clue.  Brights reds and blues, I think is Europe.

    "Bold colors", when intended to be light-stable, were horribly expensive before the proliferation of synthetic dyes in the 19th Century.  For millennia before then, pigments were low-tech, e.g., pulverized minerals or other natural materials, notably for blue: the decorative mineral lapis lazuli, and for red: either the toxic mineral cinnabar (i.e., sulfide of mercury), or preparations of Old- or New-World scale insects.  It might seem intolerable to readers accustomed to their RGB computer-monitors, but low-tech light-stable colors did not provide a palette that offered the artist the complete spectrum of colors.

    So it is plausible that the combination of choices made for assorted colorful objects in a picture could dramatically narrow the possible locales and time-periods.

    Be that as it may, perhaps we needn't appeal to art-historians; the picture seems already to be credited:

    Quote from: www.catholictradition.org/Mary/blessings1.htm
    The Blessings of Mary
    Taken from A GARLAND FOR OUR LADY
    Irish Ursulines, 1920 with IMPRIMATUR

    Jesus is shown with infant-orange hair, and Mary is shown with medium-brownish hair that seems to my eyes to have reddish undertones, as if it had, um, matured from obviously redder hair during her childhood.  Wouldn't such a picture be very congenial to the Irish faithful?  Furthermore, this is yet another picture of a descendant of the House of (King) David who has a long straight nose.  Which reminds me of the sarcastic line in the 1970s film Cabaret:

        "She doesn't / look Jewish / at all!"

    So I'm confused.  Is there some compelling reason to reject the simple assumption that the picture-of-interest might be a color illustration--maybe a frontispiece complete with tissue paper--in exactly the Irish book already identified?   Might it have been printed entirely with spot-color (e.g., as used for (at least some) color plates in the 1911 Encyclop√¶dia Britannica), which is far better adapted to accurate digital scanning, archiving, and (re)printing than the far-less expensive--thus far more widespread--screened 4-color (CMYK) process?

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    Re: Does anyone know the origin of this picture of Jesus and Mary?
    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 08:33:55 PM »
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  • You could start With search "Madonna and Child" if the site won't answer. I'm on a tiny b/w kindle screen, but it reminds me of an early Botticelli. It should tell us something that Madonnas with and without child are their own speciality. They arre a league of their own. Lacking unshady bps to clear and discern vocations, if Ib could do all agaijn I'd pray in a cave and die / make a livingdepicting /carving /sculpting them. Every medium, including iconography, sumei, recycle and illustrative calligraphy.
    "Lord, have mercy".


     

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