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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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Does anyone go see operas anymore?
« on: February 22, 2013, 06:37:10 PM »
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  • Alright maybe I'm going out on a limb here but does anyone go see operas anymore? The only opera listing in my area is seeing the Metropolitan Opera live in HD. The problem with that is that the Met tries to make a lot of taditional operas more "modern" i.e. make good operas into garbage and the operas that stay traditional still don't show a great work of talent or art. So far I saw Verdi's Otello and Aida.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 06:40:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Alright maybe I'm going out on a limb here but does anyone go see operas anymore? The only opera listing in my area is seeing the Metropolitan Opera live in HD. The problem with that is that the Met tries to make a lot of taditional operas more "modern" i.e. make good operas into garbage and the operas that stay traditional still don't show a great work of talent or art. So far I saw Verdi's Otello and Aida.


    Sounds great.  I've been to Carmen (twice) and La Traviata (twice) and Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg, in Cincinnati.

    Yeah, it's hard to get a quality opera.  At least here in Cincinnati the settings on the stage are old-fashioned.  Not the weird stuff you see today.  Quality of the singing is perhaps less than it could be, though I'm not really competent to judge.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 06:41:21 PM »
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  • I do on occasion.  I go the the Symphony regularly.  Have lived my life since the age of 22 within an hour's drive of a world class orchestra.  This has been a great blessing.
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    Does anyone go see operas anymore?
    « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 06:51:04 PM »
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    Sounds great.  I've been to Carmen (twice) and La Traviata (twice) and Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg, in Cincinnati.

    Yeah, it's hard to get a quality opera.  At least here in Cincinnati the settings on the stage are old-fashioned.  Not the weird stuff you see today.  Quality of the singing is perhaps less than it could be, though I'm not really competent to judge.


    Anything by Verdi or Wagner is good.

    I do plan on seeing Wagner's Parsifal since it looks traditional in setting. But yeah the Met gets wierd quite a few times such as they changed Verdi's Rigoletto to a 1920's Las Vegas casino, and I just walked out with disgust.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 06:56:21 PM »
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    I do on occasion.  I go the the Symphony regularly.  Have lived my life since the age of 22 within an hour's drive of a world class orchestra.  This has been a great blessing.


    I live in a small town, so anything that has to do with operas or symphonies I have to go to the local college to see.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 08:22:18 PM »
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  • Go to the opera? Not where I reside. When one has grown up watching the first rate stuff from the Met and other great centres, everything pales in comparison.
    I heard the latest Met production of The Ring was visually stunning but no comment on the singing. Too many directors love to mess with traditional settings as they think it will improve the performance, when it truly does not. The staging and filming of Shakespeare plays as of late suffers from this.

    For your homework, find a copy of The Rabbit of Seville, and What's Opera Doc?
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    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 10:46:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
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    I do on occasion.  I go the the Symphony regularly.  Have lived my life since the age of 22 within an hour's drive of a world class orchestra.  This has been a great blessing.


    I live in a small town, so anything that has to do with operas or symphonies I have to go to the local college to see.


    Are the performances there good?
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    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 11:04:58 PM »
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  • If you're just watching video anyway, then there are some videos which are much better than the revolutionary trash the met puts out.  There's a nice production of "Turandot" at the forbidden city out there, made in good old communist china  :laugh1:

    As i recall, the male lead seemed weak voiced and looked too short, but other than that it was quite good.  

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/on.com/gp//ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=on.com/gp/&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    and I thought the version of "Rigoletto" with Luciano Pavarotti was quite good (except for the immodesty from the woman who worked at the inn, but it's a small part) and of course the themes in rigoletto are adult themes and the portrayals of those themes (i.e. rape, adultery, murder) are, I would think, too graphic for little ones.    

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EQHHJW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000EQHHJW&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    It's funny, in a sarcastic way, how hollywood portrayed rigolleto in 1981, because the lesson of that opera seems to be that vice leads to terrible tragedy and suffering, yet those who suffer must forgive their oppressors or face the same fate as those who hurt them.  Hollywood though, seems to be caught up in all the "fun" of vice and sort of struggles, at times, to get what seems to have been the original message through to the audience.  

    Still though, it is a beautiful production, with excellent singing and I do think it gets the original message of the opera through, although it is "lusty" at times.  



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    « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 11:11:06 PM »
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  • As for people going to the opera or not, is there a place where we can check the attendance/ticket sales and revenue?  

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    « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 11:44:14 PM »
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  • You can also rent old productions from the Met:

    http://www.metoperafamily.org/ondemand/index.aspx

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    « Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 11:45:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jonah
    You can also rent old productions from the Met:

    http://www.metoperafamily.org/ondemand/index.aspx


    From what examples I've seen on youtube, old met productions are inferior to the best European productions.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 01:57:43 AM »
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    From what examples I've seen on youtube, old met productions are inferior to the best European productions.


    Indeed. Americans shows no talent when it comes to opera and the English show very little. One has to go to continental Europe to see some good opera.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 06:01:59 AM »
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    From what examples I've seen on youtube, old met productions are inferior to the best European productions.


    Indeed. Americans shows no talent when it comes to opera and the English show very little. One has to go to continental Europe to see some good opera.


    American performers often sang in Europe though.  I'm not really up to speed on the opera scene.  I'd been chatting on occasion with a girl who knows Erwin Schrott, Anna Netrebko's husband, and she mentioned being invited to Vienna for some performances, however, I chided her for posting something offensive and she dropped me from FB.  No, I really don't know much about opera at all.







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    « Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 10:38:59 AM »
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  • I've never been to a real opera.  I think in order to enjoy it, though, I would
    have to study it first, and attend with some kind of foreknowledge of what it
    is that I'll be observing.  

    I had an aunt who lived outside San Francisco who was a big opera fan, and
    she said it was essential that you read the libretto so you know what's going
    on.  I suppose she attended whatever operas they have in the San Francisco
    area.  

    There is a semi-professional group that does a low budget series in Los Angeles
    called Casa Italiana, based in St. Peter's Parish Church just on the outskirts of
    the Chinatown area, on Broadway (curiously enough!).  They put on about 4
    performances every year.  I went to one of them, Manon Lescaut (Puccini).  

    With the limited knowledge I have of orchestra and "stage" singing, the technical
    aspects were pretty good, but I have to say that overall, I was not "bitten by the
    opera bug."  You might say this is the "minor league."  The musicians and actors
    are either professional or semi-professional.  I suspect my enjoyment of the
    whole thing was harmed by the person who invited me, because he "did not
    want to spoil the plot" by telling me anything about the story.  He suggested
    that I do not read the brochure they passed out, and so I was pretty much
    lost during the whole thing especially since it is sung in Italian, which I do not
    know.  If I had read the libretto first, I think I would have had a lot more
    involvement with the performance, and this stupid idea of "spoiling the surprise"
    of the thing is a Hollywood corruption of the art of theater, IMHO.

    This theater group makes the world of opera within reach of the regular
    community, for tickets are about $40 and that includes a nice dinner of
    roasted chicken, sides, beverage and an excellent spumoni dessert.  My one
    complaint is that the seating is cramped.

    St. Peter's Church Hall is at 1051 North Broadway.  There is a bronze statue
    of the she-wolf with Romulus and Remus as babies, that is right within reach
    of visitors on the porch of the Hall.  The church next door has a very unusual
    altar, made of marble, and is in the shape of a boat, with St. Peter sitting
    upright in the bow, although it is used as Newmass altar.  It seems likely that
    it was originally set close to the wall, and moved away in 1969 for the new
    orientation.  If so, it could reasonably be moved back to where it belongs!

    There are some fine, traditional statues inside the church.  This parish is one
    where the Italian immigrants congregated in Los Angeles, as they did in San
    Pedro by the Port of Los Angeles, at Mary Star of the Sea parish.  In an
    otherwise culturally deprived area like Los Angeles, these two places are not
    surprisingly dear to the hearts of many.  

    St. Peter's puts on a St. Joseph's Table every year.  I was surprised to find out
    that a lot of Catholics don't know anything about St. Joseph's Table.  That could
    be a thread of it's own, I suppose.  It's always held around March 19th.  It used
    to be ONLY on March 19th, but a lot of places now move it to the closest
    weekend so as to attract participation of more people.  I'm not so sure that
    it does that, as a lot of people go out of town or have other plans for the
    weekend.  The idea is everyone gets a free plate of spaghetti and a dinner roll,
    and you can add various things for a nominal fee, such as amazing Italian
    sausage for $2, or a slice of pizza for $1.50, or coffee or a canole, or spumoni.

    In Los Angeles, there is a St. Joseph's table at St. Peter's and at Our Lady
    of Perpetual Help in Santa Clarita, as well as several other parishes.  Area
    merchants contribute cakes, wine, gift baskets, pastries, or elaborate breads
    baked in the shape of animals.  There are various clubs that staff vendor
    booths selling produce, religious items or raffle tickets.  A full bar is also
    there, that is, they have beer and wine and a few hard liquor options, all at
    very reasonable prices (for a change!).  They make it a very festive
    atmosphere, all in the name of the Patron of the Catholic Church, St. Joseph.  

    The tradition has a fascinating history.  And this is not unrelated to the history
    of opera, it seems to me.  Going to the opera should be a cultural experience.

    The great opera houses of the world have architecture that proclaims the
    dignity of the person who visits there.  You should get the feeling that your
    attendance is a welcome thing, and that you are part of the experience of
    the performance.  You should not be an isolated observer like you are at a
    movie theater or watching Television.  



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    « Reply #14 on: February 23, 2013, 01:28:02 PM »
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  • I agree.  It's best to learn the story of the opera, before seeing it.  In the past I've started by picking a composer, then choosing one of his opera's, then listening to it as I begin reading the story.  Only after that process is completed, will I start looking for videos of performances of it and there I've learned which directors to avoid.  



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