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Do you think the Catholic Church is "gone"?
« on: August 31, 2017, 01:24:52 PM »
There are the sedavacantists, the traditionalists.

whichever you are, I would like to know your opinion of this thought, namely that the Catholic Church as we know it is gone.. I feel it is and yet there is Matthew 16:18 which says that the Church will prevail over anything Satan throws at it.

I am confused... But I am not confused about this: Satan has virtually taken over the Catholic Church (not speaking of SSPX Churches). 

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Re: Do you think the Catholic Church is "gone"?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2017, 02:05:09 PM »
Of course it's not gone, if it were gone, the gates of hell would have prevailed....

....no matter how much tragedy with which history is strewn, Christ moves towards His glorious triumph. With His resurrection was the announcement that He would have his victory, when He emerged from the tomb, He proved that there was no force, no power greater than He and He proved that if He was invincible, then that which He would establish is also invincible, namely His Church.

It really does not matter therefore that throughout history the Church suffer terrific blows, that it at times – and these times almost have always prevailed – that the Church suffer it’s terrible embarrassments, it’s setbacks.

Despite all this, despite all appearances and despite whatever losses, Christ is triumphing in the Church and He is proving His power, His invincibility and He is succeeding in doing what He came here to the world to achieve, and God the Father is fulfilling the promises of His creation.

If it were not so, He would never have created anything to begin with. If it could be, that Almighty God could set in motion anything He did not command absolute power over, or out of which He could not draw whatever He wished, then He would never had done anything like that and He indeed would not be infinite in the first place.

We have it in our power to participate or we have it in our choice to be turned away, it is strictly within our choice and whatever grace is necessary is within our grasp. - Fr. Wathen


Re: Do you think the Catholic Church is "gone"?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2017, 02:12:34 PM »
Of course it's not gone, if it were gone, the gates of hell would have prevailed....

....no matter how much tragedy with which history is strewn, Christ moves towards His glorious triumph. With His resurrection was the announcement that He would have his victory, when He emerged from the tomb, He proved that there was no force, no power greater than He and He proved that if He was invincible, then that which He would establish is also invincible, namely His Church.

It really does not matter therefore that throughout history the Church suffer terrific blows, that it at times – and these times almost have always prevailed – that the Church suffer it’s terrible embarrassments, it’s setbacks.

Despite all this, despite all appearances and despite whatever losses, Christ is triumphing in the Church and He is proving His power, His invincibility and He is succeeding in doing what He came here to the world to achieve, and God the Father is fulfilling the promises of His creation.

If it were not so, He would never have created anything to begin with. If it could be, that Almighty God could set in motion anything He did not command absolute power over, or out of which He could not draw whatever He wished, then He would never had done anything like that and He indeed would not be infinite in the first place.

We have it in our power to participate or we have it in our choice to be turned away, it is strictly within our choice and whatever grace is necessary is within our grasp. - Fr. Wathen
well, I meant The Church as we know it
The Church may have to go underground. I think it is being forced to do so by Satan who has taken over the Church. And yet there are good priests here and there, good Churches. I just think they are few and far between. And there may come a time, possibly in the very near future, when the Church will be... um... hate to sound protestant but... the Church may be the PERSONS who believe (meaning the Real Presence wont be there anymore!) , and ... well, it just may be that we will all be saying
Jesus has left the Building

Re: Do you think the Catholic Church is "gone"?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2017, 02:21:16 PM »
I think if "we" knew the Church to begin with, then things would be far different now. 

How is it that the various "kinds" of Catholics(?) can all know the same Church(?)

What does "know the Church" even mean?

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Re: Do you think the Catholic Church is "gone"?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 02:52:25 PM »
well, I meant The Church as we know it
The Church may have to go underground. I think it is being forced to do so by Satan who has taken over the Church. And yet there are good priests here and there, good Churches. I just think they are few and far between. And there may come a time, possibly in the very near future, when the Church will be... um... hate to sound protestant but... the Church may be the PERSONS who believe (meaning the Real Presence wont be there anymore!) , and ... well, it just may be that we will all be saying
Jesus has left the Building
Don't be confused just because they have the buildings, which are fewer and fewer all the time. In the big picture, all God is doing is letting the heard cull itself.