So it has been a little over 5 weeks since we have done a race thread, and I wanted to do yet another one because I thought of a few things since then. My question to you all is do you truly believe that a mixed race couple is capable of the same level of love that a same race couple is capable of? I am going to argue that it is not and here is my reasoning...

1) Most interracial "relationships" are out of curiosity. When I say relationship I mean any form of contact, dating, etc. The reason I say this is because 37% of our population has dated someone outside of their race yet you do not see nearly that many mixed race couples. So basically many people have dated outside of their race but do not stick with people of other races nearly as much as they have dated them. Thats why I say it is being done mostly out of curiosity. If it were being done out of love then you would see a lot more interracial marriages and relationships.

2) Outside of IR curiosity-relationships there are the more serious long-term IR relationships and marriages that do not last. That is why you see a lot of single white women with biracial children. A lot of times they get married then they divorce because it did not work. In this case, I would think there would not be true love there because if true love existed then the relationship would have lasted. Yet again, I think these relationships are for the wrong reasons, and not true love. I would say that 80-90% of IR relationships are either short-term curiosity relationships or more long-term relationships/marriages that were for the wrong reasons (not true love) and did not last.

3) Then there are the remaining 10-20% of IR relationships that end up in marriage and last. You have to consider that not all lasting marriages consist of true love. These types of marriages would make up a percentage of the lasting IR relationships. With that being said, one must consider that, of these lasting IR relationships, there must be some that are out of true love. We will never know this for sure, and if there are...there are few, far, and between. Assuming that there are, there would be the cultural and mental barriers that the couple would eventually have to deal with. Which leads me to think that the potential for a true loving relationship between members of 2 different races is lower than the potential for true love in a same race relationship.

Conclusion: If there is true love in a IR relationship/marriage then those relationships would make up a small minority of all interracial relationships. There is probably more reason to believe that IR relationships are not true love and being done for the wrong reasons. There presence causes racial issues, and lessens the chances for certain groups of people to find someone. This is not to say that same race couples do not deal with these same issues. Same race couples also get together for the wrong reasons and there is not true love between them. However, the success rates of same race couples are much higher, and the potential for true love is much greater than that of IR relationships. Many people who support IR relationships or are apart of one will say that an IR relationship is no different than a same race relationship. Yet the evidence suggests that IR relationships are generally not done out of true love. These same people will say that they are done out of true love. Yet, the vast majority of majority of IR relationships do not last. Which leads me to think that there was no true love. Even gαy people believe that they truly love each other. I don't believe that they truly love each other since God did not create people to be that way. Point being, is that many times people claim that there is true love yet there really isn't. I think that IR relationships are very close to that of a gαy relationship. The couples are together for the wrong reasons and there is not true love. Birds of a feather flock together.

InfiniteFaith, I can't thumb you down as many times as you deserve for this post.

Seriously, I can't believe you're positing something so ridiculous.

Just because generally speaking it's normal to prefer someone of your own race, doesn't mean that it's difficult to love someone of another race. They're still a human being, with plenty of their own good points. In other words, whatever it takes to be "lovable", they have it.

I don't think your experience is broad enough. You may be looking at certain trashy girls who prefer "another race" for some base motive. I'm sure these kind of people exist. But that is NOT the only kind of inter-racial relationship that can exist.

There are inter-racial relationships that are quite sober, quite dignified, quite noble, and quite blessed by God. Yes, there are devout Catholics who have married outside their race.

It's true that, generally speaking, it adds another challenge to the game of "marriage". But it's also true that when there's a will, there's a way. And there are countless couples who have made it work -- which proves that fact.

It would be illogical to think that particular phenotypes are universals, rather than temporal arrangements brought on by sociologically and geographical factors.

It would be illogical to make such a distinction, but it doesn't surprise me that someone who defends Vatican II and modernists makes it.

If someone says heredity is not a universal, what is the relevance?  Or that it is sociological and geographical?  Is that really even the truth?  To say it is sociological and geographical is to be confused about what it really is.

The human race starts with two people, and it branches down throughout history. A "race" is just ANY branch below the root. One can pick as large or small as a branch as one wants.

And that such a choice can be made means what with regard to racial characteristics?

That the differences are somehow arbitrary because you simply regard them as different branches?  

"Race" is quite a human concept. It is more socially defined than anything.

And you might say the same thing about anything - it has no meaning.  Your way of "thinking" is very similar to a modernist's.  I think you know exactly what you're doing when you defend the Vatican II religion.

To one person, two people may be the "same" race, while to another, they may be quite different.

It is possible for people to be similar in some respects and differ in other respects.  It doesn't make the similarities or the differences somehow arbitrary or merely socially defined.  

Depending on individual and cultural differences, some people may have a very narrow or very broad understanding of race and will perceive things quite differently.

No one is going to confuse a chink for a negro.  And only an idiot would say the differences were "culturally determined."

Cultural and social positions usually are far more important in individual relationships than "race".

This is utter tripe that implicitly rejects the importance of heredity.

 

Are you even married?

And that such a choice can be made means what with regard to racial characteristics?

That the differences are somehow arbitrary because you simply regard them as different branches?  

I am not married and I am not really mindful of the social effects. To me, marriage is only a sacrament and a sacrament I will never receive.

But I imagine there are issues in particular societies which take great prudence to address. But, if prudence as a virtue is to be lauded in this case, it must also be lauded in all other acts, and you are not prudent at all, so you cannot appeal to prudence for other people getting married.

The differences are arbitrary in a moral sense, but in particular times, places, and circuмstances, they may be more significant. The "one drop rule" in the USA for instance has a great impact on our thinking here, as if darker skin was somehow pollution.

For other places and people, there are other factors. Look up Korean issues in Japan, and you'll see an entirely different set of race issues. To you, I imagine you do not make the distinction finely between Koreans and Japanese, but it is a major issue in Japan.

Likewise, the different ethnic groups in China are major, as some laws do not apply to people who are not Han (the one child policy for one), yet, I highly doubt you would make the distinction, and prefer to see "Chinese" as one thing.

Different races in India may also be a good study, as there are variations in skin tone, but in general, they are all very similar and we would consider them one race, yet, they may make distinctions we wouldn't think to make based on social status, rather than genetics.

The world is bigger than what is in your eyes.

. I think that IR relationships are very close to that of a gαy relationship.

IF This is off the wall.

The couples are together for the wrong reasons and there is not true love. Birds of a feather flock together.  

Love is a broad term but as far as having strong feelings of love people can grow to feel love towards one another.  I don't believe feeling love is required for a valid marriage. A willingness to love/care and having mutual respect yes.

Maybe you should ask Nicole Brown.

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. I think that IR relationships are very close to that of a gαy relationship.

IF This is off the wall.

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The couples are together for the wrong reasons and there is not true love. Birds of a feather flock together.  

Love is a broad term but as far as having strong feelings of love people can grow to feel love towards one another.  I don't believe feeling love is required for a valid marriage. A willingness to love/care and having mutual respect yes.

This is coming from someone who was in a failed IR marriage. I don't know why you think that love is not required to have a valid marriage. That is so untrue. Much like how we are required to love God in order to achieve salvation we must also love our spouse in a marriage. If we do not love our spouse and do not really want to get married to them, but we do anyways...then the marriage is not valid.

Wrong.  In fact, marriage is a sacrament.  Many people in history have implemented this sacrament without feeling ooey-gooey about it.