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Offline 62myer

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Do you feel that a Married Man can be a Priest and become A Saint ?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 03:16:12 PM »
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  • I don't think you can be a saint by following Pope Michael. But you think he is the true Pope so you will follow him.

    But as for your question I think it would be harder to be a saintly priest if you are married than if you are single. Because if you are single you can spend nearly all of your time on God but if you are married you have to spend most of your time on your wife and children.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 03:23:57 PM »
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  • I think I'd take the advice of Saint Paul over that of Pope Bawden:

    "But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided."
    --1 Corinithians 7:32-33
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Do you feel that a Married Man can be a Priest and become A Saint ?
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 03:33:59 PM »
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  • Given your background, I don't think you would have been accepted into any pre-Vatican II seminary. Please don't take this as an insult or belittling because it sounds like you have had a difficult life. Seminaries have traditionally looked at the background of a person's family life.

    There are enough men who have been ordained who were unfit, don't add to that number.


    I think you should resign yourself to a single life of prayer and charitable works. Men from unstable backgrounds and broken homes seldom make good fathers or husbands.

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    Do you feel that a Married Man can be a Priest and become A Saint ?
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 04:14:39 PM »
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  • A PRIEST is a single man who devotes his whole life to God.  A MINISTER is a married man with a divided life.  He has God to please but also a wife to live with.  Protestants have married "clergy",  Catholics do not.

    Priests can become saints.
    Married men can become saints.

    I firmly believe that the two are mutually exclusive.

    Marsha


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    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 04:18:52 PM »
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  • If you are asking this question as a hypothetical one, all things are possible with God's help and often He chooses the most unworthy and weak ones of this world, even those thought the least likely, to manifest His power.  So my answer is of course, Yes, because to deny this is to say there is a limit to what God can do.

    If you are asking about yourself, I do not know you and more importantly, it is not WE, the laity here, to whom you should ask this question but to a priest WHO UNDERSTANDS YOUR SOUL AND THE WAY GOD IS WORKING WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.  If/when you find such a priest, God will guide him in helping you discern whether you have a vocation or not.  In the meantime, you should put this matter under Our Lady's protection and pray diligently to know God's Will.  None of us should DARE to presume to know the Will of God for you in such a serious matter.  We do not possess such a grace.

    I do not believe that all children from dysfunctional families make poor parents or priests/Sisters.  I have met such and been edified.  Precisely because they were in such a situation themselves, often they are in a better position to not only understand what remedies need to be applied to such a family under their care but are also more zealous for the proper education of such families' children, having gone through childhood feeling the need of the same themselves.  

    OTOH, growing up I was taught by quite a few Sisters who had no vocation at all but were "encouraged" (to put it mildly) into Religious life by devout parents.  There are a few who, if I were a parent today and they did to my child what was done to me and my classmates, I would bring charges of blatant child abuse.  These were very mentally sick women.  But back in those days, you did as Sister said.  The parents were scared of them as well as the kids.

    If we were to dismiss all children from dysfunctional families as not having the requirements for a true vocation to serve God either in the religious life or married state, in today's world that would leave few indeed who qualify.  Many such children do go on to continue the dysfunctional ways later in life, but not all.  Give God a chance!

     

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    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2014, 04:22:14 PM »
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  • thanks for your commnts.

    I think that it is easier for me to be a Saint if I am married.

    marriage is a test.

    Regarding my background, I only control my actions.

    I would be an excellent father, both physical and spiritual.


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    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2014, 04:22:48 PM »
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  • I meant to add that one must renounce marriage in order to become a priest.  I do not believe in married priests.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 04:23:23 PM »
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    Are you that other username "Infinatefaith" too?

    You are just a fool, posting things so stupid that it is unbelievable.
    You do not have the Catholic faith if you think a priest can be married, or that a lay man is the pope because he was elected by a hand full of people including his parents.

    This is just stupid.

    You are committing a mortal sin by following someone who you KNOW is a schismatic.
    I think you are here to mock us all.
    Not a Catholic anyway.

    You are probably sucked into a cult that you cant escape from.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 04:26:58 PM »
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    You do not have the Catholic faith if you think a priest can be married

    Remember that it is possible for priests to be married. In the Eastern Rites there are and have been married priests.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 04:30:31 PM »
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    You do not have the Catholic faith if you think a priest can be married

    Remember that it is possible for priests to be married. In the Eastern Rites there are and have been married priests.


    Why you defend his stupidity? He is part of some cult.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2014, 04:39:45 PM »
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    If you are asking this question as a hypothetical one, all things are possible with God's help and often He chooses the most unworthy and weak ones of this world, even those thought the least likely, to manifest His power.  So my answer is of course, Yes, because to deny this is to say there is a limit to what God can do.

    If you are asking about yourself, I do not know you and more importantly, it is not WE, the laity here, to whom you should ask this question but to a priest WHO UNDERSTANDS YOUR SOUL AND THE WAY GOD IS WORKING WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.  If/when you find such a priest, God will guide him in helping you discern whether you have a vocation or not.  In the meantime, you should put this matter under Our Lady's protection and pray diligently to know God's Will.  None of us should DARE to presume to know the Will of God for you in such a serious matter.  We do not possess such a grace.

    I do not believe that all children from dysfunctional families make poor parents or priests/Sisters.  I have met such and been edified.  Precisely because they were in such a situation themselves, often they are in a better position to not only understand what remedies need to be applied to such a family under their care but are also more zealous for the proper education of such families' children, having gone through childhood feeling the need of the same themselves.  

    OTOH, growing up I was taught by quite a few Sisters who had no vocation at all but were "encouraged" (to put it mildly) into Religious life by devout parents.  There are a few who, if I were a parent today and they did to my child what was done to me and my classmates, I would bring charges of blatant child abuse.  These were very mentally sick women.  But back in those days, you did as Sister said.  The parents were scared of them as well as the kids.

    If we were to dismiss all children from dysfunctional families as not having the requirements for a true vocation to serve God either in the religious life or married state, in today's world that would leave few indeed who qualify.  Many such children do go on to continue the dysfunctional ways later in life, but not all.  Give God a chance!

     

    The Church makes allowances for these thing, but the decision should be made by the rector of the seminary in conjunction with his bishop.

    The man obviously would have been rejected, if we are going to base the reasons on his posts here alone.

    If he grew up in a home and was the victim of abuse, the possibility of him a using others, children and wife are increased. He doesn't seem to be stable if he is considering breaking the laws of the Church or following a man who would even dare to consider ordaining him without a serious thought to his background or providing real seminary training. He is barely able to write coherently or unemotionally, he should not be giving sermons or hearing confessions!

    Let's look at loads of traditional priests who have been unfit, shall we? What scandal have they caused? Some of them are verifiable criminals.

    I am going to suggest he find an old, pre-Vatican II priest to hear his confessions and counsel him. He should resign himself to single life and if he is fit to be around children, aid Catholic families through works of mercy. I'm not insinuating he has done anything wrong, but he seems unstable at the very least. Maybe he is just simple. Simple people can make good spouses and good Catholics but in these times, it might be better that they not get ordained as they do not have the ability to understand the complexity of the state of the Church and her laws.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »
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    Why you defend his stupidity? He is part of some cult.

    I am not defending his stupidity, just correcting an error you made. I also believe he is the member of a cult. Did you read my earlier post when I told him he could not become a saint by following Pope Michael?
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    « Reply #13 on: May 10, 2014, 05:55:24 PM »
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  • If you die a follower of Bawden, unrepentant and oblivious to investigating the true Faith to which several Catholics here have pointed you, you will burn eternally in the fires of hell.  Think about whether your little fantasy of being a married priest is worth that to you.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2014, 05:56:27 PM »
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    You do not have the Catholic faith if you think a priest can be married

    Remember that it is possible for priests to be married. In the Eastern Rites there are and have been married priests.


    But not in the United States, so you can't really defend him.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...