This poll's intention is to re-set the discussion on two "marriage warning" posts recently made by Croix de Fer.

("Men watch this before you get married" & "Men the system is against you")

They are fascinating and explosive topics, introduced by Youtube commentary from two black protestant ministers.

While there were plenty of insults, thrown both ways, it seems Croix has identified important points on the "Marriage Crisis" today.
It's a worthy topic to be analyzed and debated in a civil manner.

Note: We Catholics are so judaized, we fail to recognize the traps laid to destroy us.  
Consider the Sacrament of Extreme Unction and how the state has usurped Church authority with their Organ transplant & Euthanasia industries.  Like a Marriage Prenup, going into a hospital requires a Living Will docuмent to prevent the hospital from harvesting our organs or euthanizing us.

Before you vote, please use these definitions:

1. Prenuptial agreement: A signed agreement between a man & woman that is in keeping with the Catholic Sacrament of Matrimony.

For example: "I, Croix de Fer, vow to honor you as my wife and will never to divorce you"  
                  "I, Miss Trad Lady, vow to submit to you, Croix, my husband and will never divorce you."

The key is to adhere to the Catholic matrimony vows of old and deny the legal traps laid by the masonic state.

2. Marriage License: A docuмent typically issued by a masonic governmental authority allowing two people to get married.

In those terms, prenups are fine, but those are basically marriage vows, ie, the sacrament that you can’t get rid of until death do you part. The problem here is the prenups are divorce agreements. Should this fail, I get x, you get y. So I would refuse both, and accept that regardless, I am a married man, and nothing besides my death or my wife’s can change that. Like back in the “olden days”

Can you validly marry when you already have your divorce planned? No. Marriage is until death do you part. It’s simple. It’s the V2 cult that’s complicated things, with all its bedroom terminology and pornographic “education” and that seems to have seeped into tradition. Sad. 

While it is typical for polls to be framed in a way to produce the desired result, one does not often see such blatant manipulation as the "definitions" provided with this poll. 

A prenuptial agreement is usually an agreement on what the couple will do in case of divorce.  A marriage license is issued by the state whether or not there is masonic influence on the state. 

Incredulous has tried to " reset the discussion" so that everyone will agree with his position.

Good questions MD:

1.  I defined Prenup as "Catholic", meaning divorce is not an option. They stay together in marriage and for example, if one spouse becomes incompetent, they would resort to other legal remedies outside of dissolving the marriage.

2. #2 and #3 are similar, but with #3 implying acceptance of all the laws of state, to be wielded against the marriage and family.

Why not an option for being against both? Because I am. 

While it is typical for polls to be framed in a way to produce the desired result, one does not often see such blatant manipulation as the "definitions" provided with this poll.

A prenuptial agreement is usually an agreement on what the couple will do in case of divorce.  A marriage license is issued by the state whether or not there is masonic influence on the state.

Incredulous has tried to " reset the discussion" so that everyone will agree with his position.

Look, "J", why don't you run your poll... and I'll run mine. 

And for that matter, I would love to see your voting options. :ready-to-eat:

Look, "J", why don't you run your poll... and I'll run mine.  

And for that matter, I would love to see your voting options. :ready-to-eat:

I don't see a reason for a poll on this subject although I did appreciate your call to a less emotionally discussion of it. However, when you use such non-standard definitions, it is likely to cause confusion.

Also I could not tell which option best represented my own position.  I would like the system changed so that there are no marriage licenses. The secular understanding of marriage has become too far removed from true Catholic marriage. They are completely different things and should be distinct from each other. 

Practically speaking I see the good in “being off the grid” when it comes to avoiding a marriage license.  However, if one chooses that path, then it also poses legal problems since your spouse is not recognized as your spouse by the state’s legal system.  This would affect legal docuмents such as wills, titles to property, insurance, taxes, everything.  So, discussions with a lawyer would be absolutely necessary to make sure your spouse could do many things that a marriage license automatically gives you.  Food for thought.  

You can give (leave for inheritance) anything to anybody in a legal will, even if the State doesn't recognize the person as a spouse.  

It's better to be free from the State, and to nullify any leverage a woman might have over the man when the potential specter of "divorce" is hanging over his head, than to have tax exemptions and other mouse traps full of cheese that are given to people with State marriage licenses.

Right, wills are an easy fix.  But what about the situation where you get into a car accident and you're in a coma and your wife isn't allowed to make a decision on some necessary surgery because insurance doesn't recognize her as your spouse, therefore they aren't legally allowed to let her help you or make decisions on your behalf.

Or, you're in jail and she can't come visit you as often as a spouse could, because again, she's not legally your wife.

I'm not saying all this can't be legally fixed, i'm just saying that there are 'unintended consequences' if one avoids a marriage license.  So keep that in mind. And if you don't fix these issues, then if tragedy strikes, you could have a lot of headaches.