Author Topic: Do you agree with this? (Read 1667 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** August 31, 2013, 04:30:36 PM »

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c2a3.htm

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:32:40 PM »

That is not my Catechism. It is John Paul II the modernist's Catechism. I do not have to read it to tell you I do not agree with it, though of course mixed with the error there is also a lot of truth, but the error is poison.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:34:04 PM »

Quote from: Matto

That is not my Catechism. It is John Paul II the modernist's Catechism. I do not have to read it to tell you I do not agree with it, though of course mixed with the error there is also a lot of truth, but the error is poison.

I think I am agreeing with you on that. Its what it leads to that I don't like. Especially since it does not mention circuмstances.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:35:05 PM »

Sounds like just another exaggeration of a truth, love your neighbor, stretching this truth to a heresy of worship of man.

I read once in a Catholic book that most all heresies have their roots in a truth, but they exaggerate this truth till it becomes a heresy. It seems that way to me when I think about it.

This way they can cleverly point to the truth when someone accuses them of heresy. The devil is so clever.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:54:24 PM »

The problem is, it does not mention any stipulations to racial discrimination etc. If you have a flock of illegal immigrants come into your country to the point where it is a threat to your culture, then yes there should be some racial discrimination there. I hate to be blunt about it but its true. You don't just allow your country to be overrun, and you don't risk what good your country has going for it(especially if it is the most powerful country in the world). For all I know it could be the forces of Satan that are invading our lands and trying to eventually wipe out Christians. Never once does our belief system suggest that we should allow Satan to have his way. We should take a stand against him.

I don't think anybody should take what the catechism says 100% without realizing that there are circuмstances that go against the general rule. I wouldn't doubt that there are foreigners who are in our country right now who think that it is morally OK to come here and wipe out our way of life because of what the catechism says.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:57:31 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

I don't think anybody should take what the catechism says 100% without realizing that there are circuмstances that go against the general rule.

Just stop reading the modernist Catechism and you will avoid a lot of errors presented with the air of authority. It is poison.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2013, 04:58:36 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Sounds like just another exaggeration of a truth, love your neighbor, stretching this truth to a heresy of worship of man.

I read once in a Catholic book that most all heresies have their roots in a truth, but they exaggerate this truth till it becomes a heresy. It seems that way to me when I think about it.

This way they can cleverly point to the truth when someone accuses them of heresy. The devil is so clever.

Sounds about right to me.

After all, Gaudium et Spes teaches:

Quote from: Guadium et Spes, no 93

Christians cannot yearn for anything more ardently than to serve the men of the modern world with mounting generosity and success.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/docuмents/vat-ii_cons_19651207_gaudium-et-spes_en.html

Frances · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2013, 11:29:25 PM »

:really-mad2:It is heresy! Religious liberty? Equality of glory of man? I read no further than 1935. If you want to celebrate Labor Day, why not use this to start a fire to roast some hotdogs?
If you haven't read it, get Archbishop LeFebvre's Against the Heresies. If you have read it, read it again!

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2013, 05:26:52 AM »

You did better than me, Frances! I got two sentences in and wanted to puke. I know "due" is used in prior bulls and Church docs, but it's very different.

Quote from: Wojtyla's CCC

1928. Society ensures social justice when it provides the conditions that allow associations or individuals to obtain what is [/b]their due[/b]

Huh? ....Is there a HINT of treasure in Heaven in Wojtyla's social justice crap? I take it he didn't believe in the afterlife?

I pushed on...

Quote from: damned lies

1929. Social justice can be obtained only in respecting the transcendent dignity of man. The person represents the ultimate end of society

No, no, no. NO! Road to Hell in this! This CCC is twisting Rerum Novarium to it's breaking point because in RN, society is defined a hellava lot differently:

Quote from: LeoIII Rerum Novarum

12. Hence we have the family, the "society" of a man's house - a society very small, one must admit, but none the less a true society, and one older than any State. Consequently, it has rights and duties peculiar to itself which are quite independent of the State. "

Not to mention how SLAMMED socialism was made in RN. In speaking of a man's "due" for his labor, Pope Leo III was all "pay people what you owe them" — an ancient and Scriptural concept! He was also CLEARLY anti-usury. Sort of a DUH but it's had to be spelled out before (which Leo III also says). And that Pope made CLEAR: "4. To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property" and "6. ...every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own.". And "8. The fact that God has given the earth for the use and enjoyment of the whole human race can in no way be a bar to the owning of private property." (Clearly Frank hasn't read RN. If we TWEETED him a link, think he'd read it?)

Just, how many families ("societies!") are there with ONE PERSON (what the current tripe conciliar CCC says SOCIETY'S GOAL is: the person. Singular)??? That's pure messed up.

I closed the tab as I couldn't take anymore, but thanks for the warning: in case my kids ever get exposed to this Wojtyla CCC tripe, I'm going to go over Rerum Novarum with them in great detail.

Frances · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2013, 07:03:18 AM »

:barf:Help! I read too much! :idea:But I've an idea to try out. I'm going to put quotations from this nonsense on paper, typed, of course, and see if there is any reaction around the sspx, and if so, what it is. No reaction will mean serious trouble, no hope, Positive reaction means the same, too far gone to salvage. Negative reaction is good, the stronger, the better, Best is strongly negative with correct reasons why.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2013, 02:35:07 PM »

During mass today, one of the speakers mentioned how rights are from God and not the government. I'm not sure what this person meant by this exactly. But I do know that rights (that have been established in our government) typically protect the wicked. Its the women who don't want to accept their God given role that want rights so that they can be independent of men and have jobs etc. Its the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who want rights so that they can cater to their lifestyle. Its the Jєωs that have rights so that they can weasel their way to the top of the system, and do what they want to do to our society. The list goes on. These groups of people are the reason why there is so much corruption in our society today. These are the people we don't want rising to the top of OUR system. Some of which should go back to their respective countries and live however they want.

God's laws are meant for us to have a closer relationship with God. Government laws give the wicked a chance to rise to the top of the system.

Women say that they need rights because of domestic violence and rape etc. I almost wonder sometimes if this is just a ploy so that they can become independent of men. If a husband is beating his wife then the wife should shoot him in self defense. If women started doing that then we probably would not be dealing with domestic violence nearly as much today. Instead they chose to start a women's rights movement.

To prevent rape, women should learn the Native American trick. At an early age, native american girls would learn to tighten their vaginal muscles so if a man were to rape them then they could hurt the man. I firmly think that women who are so afraid of rape should learn this. If all women learned this then that would cut down on rape a lot. Instead, women chose to start a rights movement.

There are other ways that things could have been handled. Instead society is loosing sight of gender roles, and many men are finding it harder to raise a family because its harder to find a decent paying job...due to women taking up so many jobs.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:14:07 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

During mass today, one of the speakers mentioned how rights are from God and not the government. I'm not sure what this person meant by this exactly. But I do know that rights (that have been established in our government) typically protect the wicked. Its the women who don't want to accept their God given role that want rights so that they can be independent of men and have jobs etc. Its the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who want rights so that they can cater to their lifestyle. Its the Jєωs that have rights so that they can weasel their way to the top of the system, and do what they want to do to our society. The list goes on. These groups of people are the reason why there is so much corruption in our society today. These are the people we don't want rising to the top of OUR system. Some of which should go back to their respective countries and live however they want.

God's laws are meant for us to have a closer relationship with God. Government laws give the wicked a chance to rise to the top of the system.

Women say that they need rights because of domestic violence and rape etc. I almost wonder sometimes if this is just a ploy so that they can become independent of men. If a husband is beating his wife then the wife should shoot him in self defense. If women started doing that then we probably would not be dealing with domestic violence nearly as much today. Instead they chose to start a women's rights movement.

To prevent rape, women should learn the Native American trick. At an early age, native american girls would learn to tighten their ####l muscles so if a man were to rape them then they could hurt the man. I firmly think that women who are so afraid of rape should learn this. If all women learned this then that would cut down on rape a lot. Instead, women chose to start a rights movement.

There are other ways that things could have been handled. Instead society is loosing sight of gender roles, and many men are finding it harder to raise a family because its harder to find a decent paying job...due to women taking up so many jobs.

And on top of it all, these groups of people who have rights ultimately serve what is known as the Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG). Jєωs are the ones on top followed by women, gαys, and minorities. If the ZOG gets too large then our culture will be wiped out, and Christians will be persecuted.

If the ZOG goes unchecked then it will attach itself to the One World Government which will be headed by the Antichrist.

OHCA · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:21:18 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

During mass today, one of the speakers mentioned how rights are from God and not the government. I'm not sure what this person meant by this exactly. But I do know that rights (that have been established in our government) typically protect the wicked. Its the women who don't want to accept their God given role that want rights so that they can be independent of men and have jobs etc. Its the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who want rights so that they can cater to their lifestyle. Its the Jєωs that have rights so that they can weasel their way to the top of the system, and do what they want to do to our society. The list goes on. These groups of people are the reason why there is so much corruption in our society today. These are the people we don't want rising to the top of OUR system. Some of which should go back to their respective countries and live however they want.

God's laws are meant for us to have a closer relationship with God. Government laws give the wicked a chance to rise to the top of the system.

Women say that they need rights because of domestic violence and rape etc. I almost wonder sometimes if this is just a ploy so that they can become independent of men. If a husband is beating his wife then the wife should shoot him in self defense. If women started doing that then we probably would not be dealing with domestic violence nearly as much today. Instead they chose to start a women's rights movement.

To prevent rape, women should learn the Native American trick. At an early age, native american girls would learn to tighten their ####l muscles so if a man were to rape them then they could hurt the man. I firmly think that women who are so afraid of rape should learn this. If all women learned this then that would cut down on rape a lot. Instead, women chose to start a rights movement.

There are other ways that things could have been handled. Instead society is loosing sight of gender roles, and many men are finding it harder to raise a family because its harder to find a decent paying job...due to women taking up so many jobs.

You have a rambling nutty provocative way of making your point. But I up-thumbed you because I agree with the crux of most of what you said. I do think you're full of xxxx with regard to rape though. With regard to domestic violence, there were already adequate laws on the books for dealing with it. But demagogue politicians jumped on the bandwagon of passing a bunch of "domestic violence" laws.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:54:22 PM »

Quote from: OHCA

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
During mass today, one of the speakers mentioned how rights are from God and not the government. I'm not sure what this person meant by this exactly. But I do know that rights (that have been established in our government) typically protect the wicked. Its the women who don't want to accept their God given role that want rights so that they can be independent of men and have jobs etc. Its the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who want rights so that they can cater to their lifestyle. Its the Jєωs that have rights so that they can weasel their way to the top of the system, and do what they want to do to our society. The list goes on. These groups of people are the reason why there is so much corruption in our society today. These are the people we don't want rising to the top of OUR system. Some of which should go back to their respective countries and live however they want.

God's laws are meant for us to have a closer relationship with God. Government laws give the wicked a chance to rise to the top of the system.

Women say that they need rights because of domestic violence and rape etc. I almost wonder sometimes if this is just a ploy so that they can become independent of men. If a husband is beating his wife then the wife should shoot him in self defense. If women started doing that then we probably would not be dealing with domestic violence nearly as much today. Instead they chose to start a women's rights movement.

To prevent rape, women should learn the Native American trick. At an early age, native american girls would learn to tighten their ####l muscles so if a man were to rape them then they could hurt the man. I firmly think that women who are so afraid of rape should learn this. If all women learned this then that would cut down on rape a lot. Instead, women chose to start a rights movement.

There are other ways that things could have been handled. Instead society is loosing sight of gender roles, and many men are finding it harder to raise a family because its harder to find a decent paying job...due to women taking up so many jobs.

You have a rambling nutty provocative way of making your point. But I up-thumbed you because I agree with the crux of most of what you said. I do think you're full of xxxx with regard to rape though. With regard to domestic violence, there were already adequate laws on the books for dealing with it. But demagogue politicians jumped on the bandwagon of passing a bunch of "domestic violence" laws.

Whats wrong with what I said about rape?

Lighthouse · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:58:35 PM »

What kind of "mass" do you go to where they have "speakers"?

Is that a Dale Carnegie mass or what?