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Offline InfiniteFaith

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Do people serve Satan Unknowingly when in a state of....
« on: January 13, 2012, 05:07:57 PM »
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  • And do they serve God unknowingly when in a state of Grace?


    Offline Gregory I

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    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 05:14:37 PM »
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  • People knowingly serve Satan in a state of Mortal Sin. For Mortal sin requires FULL KNOWLEDGE of the sinfulness, which implies the knowledge of serving Satan.

    Both states can have thoughtless activities predicated to an individual. I can thoughtlessly serve Satan indirectly by cooperating materially in things that are to his glory.

     I can thoughtlessly serve God by doing things that are of material benefit to his Church and are righteous things, but have no real internal charity behind them. A good example is quickly writing off the obligatory offering check...

    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 05:22:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    People knowingly serve Satan in a state of Mortal Sin. For Mortal sin requires FULL KNOWLEDGE of the sinfulness, which implies the knowledge of serving Satan.

    Both states can have thoughtless activities predicated to an individual. I can thoughtlessly serve Satan indirectly by cooperating materially in things that are to his glory.

     I can thoughtlessly serve God by doing things that are of material benefit to his Church and are righteous things, but have no real internal charity behind them. A good example is quickly writing off the obligatory offering check...



    I was asking because on another thread youtube videos were posted about the real exorcism of Emily Rose. I found another video while watching that one. And some monk was stating that He thought Emily Rose became possessed because she had fallen into mortal sin.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 05:33:38 PM »
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  • You can be possessed by repeated mortal sin, especially of a sɛҳuąƖ nature. But generally, it is not common. If you can say the creed aloud, kiss a crucifix, and sign yourself with holy water, you are not too far gone. That is the test I perform on myself whenever I have a sinful streak I have to deal with.

    Remember, demons are like vicious little piranhas and leeches. There is no sense of fair play or justice. They will attack and violate innocence at any age and in any condition and instill the most diabolical of thoughts into any person who is careless enough to mull them about, regardless of their relation to the victim.

    I have been very sinful in my life, EXTREMELY so...but i have been conscious about Satan, and I have deliberately WILLED to not allow him to posses my body. He cannot violate your will. Your will needs to actually allow him in for him to possess you fully.

    However, I do believe the majority of Christians are demonized. I believe that the majority of Christians has at least one or two demons that are committed to ruining their life, and that they slip in as far as they can as often as they can, but not as often do they fully possess anyone.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

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    « Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 06:25:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    However, I do believe the majority of Christians are demonized. I believe that the majority of Christians has at least one or two demons that are committed to ruining their life, and that they slip in as far as they can as often as they can, but not as often do they fully possess anyone.


    I agree with you Gregory I.  Jesus once said in the Gospels that there are demons who cannot just be driven away by just a simple prayer.  And for that reason, Our Lord exhorted His disciples to fast so that those special powerful demons may be driven away.

    It's even terrible to imagine those demons were once power angelic ranks like Dominations, Power, Thrones, or even a Cherubim.  In my opinion, I think those special demons that specialize with sins of impurity must be a high rank.
    I'm a Roman Catholic who upholds the sedevacantist position.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 10:18:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I


    Your will needs to actually allow him in for him to possess you fully.



    That is incorrect. If you locate and read some of accounts of diabolical possession you will find yourself in agreement with me on this.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 11:25:25 AM »
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  • Can you give me an example? Perhaps a curse right? Well, if the fear of the curse works on a person who is weak, like a child, then their obsession with it leads to a breakdown of the will.

    When is a person possessed against their will?
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    « Reply #7 on: January 14, 2012, 11:47:39 AM »
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    Can you give me an example? Perhaps a curse right? Well, if the fear of the curse works on a person who is weak, like a child, then their obsession with it leads to a breakdown of the will.

    When is a person possessed against their will?


    Yes, through curses, particulary those of parents or ancestors. It is not a given that possession is indicitive of the sinfulness of the posessed person.

    Athough granted, many times sin is what has opened the door.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 11:54:41 AM »
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  • BUt this is all WILLFUL. SIN is willful, it is a bad will. Ancestral curses affect peoples WILL, the demon attacks the WILL looking for it to crack.

    The Will is sovereign so long as it is maintained. They cannot get in there.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

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    « Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 12:02:25 PM »
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    BUt this is all WILLFUL. SIN is willful, it is a bad will. Ancestral curses affect peoples WILL, the demon attacks the WILL looking for it to crack.

    The Will is sovereign so long as it is maintained. They cannot get in there.


    Oh boy. Here we go.

    Have you read about possessions? I have. It is not always about the will. Some people get possessed against  their wills, through no fault of their own.

    Look into it.

    And since this started by you making assertions, please provide something for us other than your ipse dixits!

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    « Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 11:06:49 AM »
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  • I admit that my opinion is merely my christian intuition acting up, but I have never seen or read about a case of possession which did not FIRST involve the running down of the will.

    I Have Fr. Malachi Martin's book about the possession and exorcism of 5 Americans, and in each case, they all were given an opportunity to allow the demon into their life.

    Some Children are possessed by curses, like I said. but consider the lies the demon will tell "it will stop if you just let me do this..." a terrified child does not know how to discern that. But they may assent out of fear. The Devil is a psychological trickster.
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    « Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:24:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    I admit that my opinion is merely my christian intuition acting up, but I have never seen or read about a case of possession which did not FIRST involve the running down of the will.

    I Have Fr. Malachi Martin's book about the possession and exorcism of 5 Americans, and in each case, they all were given an opportunity to allow the demon into their life.

    Some Children are possessed by curses, like I said. but consider the lies the demon will tell "it will stop if you just let me do this..." a terrified child does not know how to discern that. But they may assent out of fear. The Devil is a psychological trickster.


    Hello Gregory  :smile:

    Curses happen with adults too.

    Did you know that when people are posessed the demons possess their bodies, not their souls?

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    « Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 11:40:45 AM »
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  • Yes, that is what I mean. I have studied exorcisms, and it seems to be a pattern: First, we get you to sin. Then, when you are deluded through your sinfulness, we get you to consent to our presence. Then, we torment you.

    In the case of curses, it appears to be a similar pattern:

    First, we get you to sin. If you do not sin, we terrorize you. Out of a desire to cease being terrorized, you relent your will. Then we enter.

    That seems to be the pattern I have observed. What about you?
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    « Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 11:54:30 AM »
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  • Sometimes it appears that good people who have been cursed; have become possessed, entirely against their will.

    Otherwise we could hold that everyone who gets possessed causes it by their own sins.

    Was your study of exorcisms limited to Martin's book? I would prefer other sources; he has a well earned reputation for being quite the storyteller.


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    « Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 12:14:54 PM »
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  • Why don't you tell me about your studies? I would be interested to know what sort of scenarios you are envisioning.

    What EXACTLY would one of these "possession against the will" scenarios be?
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila