Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children  (Read 2677 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline tradlover

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 196
  • Reputation: +57/-5
  • Gender: Female
Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
« on: March 12, 2012, 11:28:28 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/summorum-pontificuм-blog/informations/un-geste-fort-mgr-bonfils-confirme-en-corse-pour-la-fsspx#.T14j4zES2Ai

    this is shocking


    Offline Telesphorus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 12713
    • Reputation: +22/-13
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 11:37:21 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: tradlover
    http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/summorum-pontificuм-blog/informations/un-geste-fort-mgr-bonfils-confirme-en-corse-pour-la-fsspx#.T14j4zES2Ai

    this is shocking


    Yes indeed.  The SSPX position is becoming so internally contradictory that it is becoming a form of modernism, so these things will become more commonplace, and will be defended by people who place loyalty to the SSPX above loyalty to the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Quote
    Mgr Fellay ne pouvant se rendre à Ajaccio pour un assez long temps, son confrère, Mgr Bonfils, a proposé de son propre mouvement de procéder à la confirmation des 19 candidats à ce sacrement


    Why isn't Bishop Williamson allowed to go to Corsica?


    Offline SeanJohnson

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 15064
    • Reputation: +9980/-3161
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 11:50:05 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Can anyone translate please?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Diego

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1277
    • Reputation: +4/-1
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 11:58:24 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Via Google Translate

    Quote
    A strong gesture: Bishop confirms Bonfils in Corsica for the SSPX

    A gesture that shakes all the lines and commands admiration. Yesterday morning, Sunday, March 11, Bishop Bonfils, administrator of the diocese of Ajaccio to the possession of Bishop de Germay, visited the church served Ajaccio, by the SSPX. It was not a simple courtesy call or pure diplomacy: Bishop Fellay can not travel to Ajaccio for a long time, his colleague, Bishop Bonfils, proposed its own motion to proceed with the confirmation of 19 candidates this sacrament. The representative of the SSPX could not refuse the sacrament proposed by the bishop in charge of the diocese, especially since it has, of course, is granted to the traditional rite. Then Bonfils Bishop celebrated Mass of St. Pius V.

    This act by a French bishop, in the context of current proposal made by the Pope to Bishop Fellay a canonical status of personal prelature universal, no shortage of panache. It was very simple and normally received by the faithful of the SSPX is also very gratifying.

    Offline SeanJohnson

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 15064
    • Reputation: +9980/-3161
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 12:06:30 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  •  :shocked:
    Quote from: Diego
    Via Google Translate

    Quote
    A strong gesture: Bishop confirms Bonfils in Corsica for the SSPX

    A gesture that shakes all the lines and commands admiration. Yesterday morning, Sunday, March 11, Bishop Bonfils, administrator of the diocese of Ajaccio to the possession of Bishop de Germay, visited the church served Ajaccio, by the SSPX. It was not a simple courtesy call or pure diplomacy: Bishop Fellay can not travel to Ajaccio for a long time, his colleague, Bishop Bonfils, proposed its own motion to proceed with the confirmation of 19 candidates this sacrament. The representative of the SSPX could not refuse the sacrament proposed by the bishop in charge of the diocese, especially since it has, of course, is granted to the traditional rite. Then Bonfils Bishop celebrated Mass of St. Pius V.

    This act by a French bishop, in the context of current proposal made by the Pope to Bishop Fellay a canonical status of personal prelature universal, no shortage of panache. It was very simple and normally received by the faithful of the SSPX is also very gratifying.


     :shocked:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13817
    • Reputation: +5566/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 12:14:06 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/03/very-relevant-heart-of-good-son-french.html

    French diocesan Bishop confirms in SSPX chapel
    Local SSPX priest in dispute with superiors
    The following is reported by French blog Summorum Pontificuм observatus:

        "A gesture that shakes things up and elicits admiration. Yesterday, Sunday, March 11, in the morning, Bishop [Jean] Bonfils [Emeritus of Nice], the Administrator of the Diocese of Ajaccio [Corsica] up until the installment of Bishop-Elect de Germay, went to the church served by the SSPX in Ajaccio. It was not simply a visit of courtesy or of pure diplomacy: Bp. Fellay being unable to come to Ajaccio for a very long period, his fellow bishop, Bp. Bonfils, proposed to him, by his own will, to carry on the confirmation of 19 candidates to this sacrament. The representative of the SSPX could not refuse the sacrament proposed by the Bishop in charge of the Diocese, even more so when he, naturally, conferred it according to the Traditional Rite. Bp. Bonfils celebrated the Mass of Saint Pius V afterwards.

        "This act accomplished by a French Bishop, in the current context of the proposition made by the Pope to Bp. Fellay of a canonical statute of a universal personal prelature is not without meaning. [Rorate note: that is not the exact state of things; as we last reported, the whole matter is still under the consideration of the Holy See.] That he [Bp. Bonfils] was simply and normally received by the faithful of the SSPX is also very gladdening."



    Addendum: Unfortunately, things do not look as rosy as reported above. We hear the following from trusted sources: (1) that the local SSPX priest, Fr. Hervé Mercury, was already in a process of exclusion from the SSPX, due to personal divergences with his superiors; (2) that, differently from what was mentioned above, the celebration was not conducted out of any sort of agreement with the SSPX General House; (3) that the same Fr. Mercury is already in the process of incardination in the local diocese, in agreement with the same Bp. Bonfils. These things are not particularly bad in themselves, but they completely change the tone of what took place: not a disinterested pastoral visit, but a complex dispute between a priest who wishes to leave a society, his superiors, and a local diocesan bishop.

    Rorate stresses once again the fact that Summorum Pontificuм observatus is not correct when stating that the SSPX-Holy See matter is anywhere else than in the Holy See's own hands at the moment.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13817
    • Reputation: +5566/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 12:37:36 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bbonfils.html

    This Bishop is 82 years old and retired in 2005, I'd say that's a plus.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2270
    • Reputation: +889/-38
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 04:24:21 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • La Croix

    Quote
    À Ajaccio, Mgr Bonfils a célébré les confirmations de la Fraternité Saint-Pie-X

    Mgr Jean Bonfils, administrateur apostolique du diocèse d’Ajaccio jusqu’à l’arrivée d’un nouvel évêque en avril, a célébré dimanche 11 mars 19 confirmations dans la forme extraordinaire du rite romain à la chapelle desservie par la Fraternité Saint-Pie-X à Ajaccio (Corse). C’est la première fois qu’un évêque français célèbre ainsi pour un groupe de la FSSPX, toujours séparée de Rome.

    Interrogé par La Croix , Mgr Bonfils a expliqué qu’il avait procédé à ces confirmations à la demande de l’abbé Hervé Mercury, prêtre de la FSSPX en Corse, et qu’il avait accepté « à la condition que les familles soient d’accord ». Selon l'abbé Mercury, c'est toutefois Mgr Bonfils qui aurait pris l'initiative de procéder aux confirmations « par souci pastoral et sans esprit polémique ». « En conscience, je ne pouvais pas refuser », confie à La Croix  l'abbé Mercury qui fait état de fortes pressions exercées depuis de la part des supérieurs de la FSSPX.

    Tandis que l'abbé de Cacqueray, supérieur du district de France, a appelé Mgr Bonfils pour lui demander de revenir sur sa décision, ce que l'ancien évêque de Nice a refusé, l’abbé Alain-Marc Nély, second assistant général de la FSSPX, s'est rendu à Ajaccio pour pousser les familles à refuser cette démarche. Dans un texte très dur, il a notamment mis en cause l’orthodoxie doctrinale de Mgr Bonfils. Finalement, seul un adulte refusé.

    Fortes pressions

    Cette célébration intervient alors qu’ un processus de discussions entre le Saint-Siège et la FSSPX vient de s’achever sur une réponse semble-t-il décevante de la Fraternité aux propositions romaines.

    Selon les informations recueillies par La Croix , l’abbé Mercury, devant l’attitude intransigeante de ses supérieurs, a entamé un processus de rapprochement avec le diocèse catholique d’Ajaccio. « Disons plutôt que je suis étonné que mes supérieurs ne comprennent pas l’impossibilité de refuser dans laquelle je me suis trouvé face à la demande de Mgr Bonfils », précise le prêtre de la FSSPX à La Croix .

    Quant à savoir si l’abbé Mercury pourrait aller jusqu’à quitter la FSSPX pour être incardiné au diocèse d’Ajaccio, Mgr Bonfils s’est refusé à toute spéculation sur le sujet, préférant laisser toute décision au futur évêque, Mgr Olivier de Germay, nommé le 22 février dernier par Benoît XVI et qui sera ordonné le 14 avril prochain. « Je n’ai fait aucune demande d’incardination », tient à préciser l'abbé Mercury.

    Nicolas Senèze


    Google translation

    NB these passages:
    Quote
    While the abbot of Cacqueray, District Superior of France, called Bonfils Bishop asking him to reconsider his decision, that the former bishop of Nice refused, Father Alain-Marc Nély, second assistant general SSPX went to Ajaccio to cause families to reject this approach. In a text very hard, he has challenged the doctrinal orthodoxy of Bishop Bonfils.
    Quote
    According to information gathered by La Croix, Father Mercury, to the intransigent attitude of his superiors, began a process of rapprochement with the Catholic Diocese of Ajaccio. "But let's say I'm surprised that my bosses do not understand the impossibility of refuse in which I found myself faced with the request of Bishop Bonfils," says the priest of the SSPX in La Croix.


    So, there's no need for the hysteria!


    Offline s2srea

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5106
    • Reputation: +3896/-48
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 04:48:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: clare

    NB these passages:
    Quote
    While the abbot of Cacqueray, District Superior of France, called Bonfils Bishop asking him to reconsider his decision, that the former bishop of Nice refused, Father Alain-Marc Nély, second assistant general SSPX went to Ajaccio to cause families to reject this approach. In a text very hard, he has challenged the doctrinal orthodoxy of Bishop Bonfils.
    Quote
    According to information gathered by La Croix, Father Mercury, to the intransigent attitude of his superiors, began a process of rapprochement with the Catholic Diocese of Ajaccio. "But let's say I'm surprised that my bosses do not understand the impossibility of refuse in which I found myself faced with the request of Bishop Bonfils," says the priest of the SSPX in La Croix.


    So, there's no need for the hysteria!


    Can you clarify- I'm not following this google translation very well.

    This priest was acting solo, right?

    Offline Ecclesia Militans

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 984
    • Reputation: +14/-35
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 05:01:01 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I am surprised that those faithful actually went along with the bishop confirming their children.  I guess they were not very faithful to Tradition after all.

    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2270
    • Reputation: +889/-38
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 05:09:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: s2srea
    Can you clarify- I'm not following this google translation very well.

    This priest was acting solo, right?

    That is my understanding.

    Notice also the addendum to the Rorate Caeli post that Stubborn posted above:
    Quote
    Addendum: Unfortunately, things do not look as rosy as reported above. We hear the following from trusted sources: (1) that the local SSPX priest, Fr. Hervé Mercury, was already in a process of exclusion from the SSPX, due to personal divergences with his superiors; (2) that, differently from what was mentioned above, the celebration was not conducted out of any sort of agreement with the SSPX General House; (3) that the same Fr. Mercury is already in the process of incardination in the local diocese, in agreement with the same Bp. Bonfils. These things are not particularly bad in themselves, but they completely change the tone of what took place: not a disinterested pastoral visit, but a complex dispute between a priest who wishes to leave a society, his superiors, and a local diocesan bishop.


    Offline Wessex

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1311
    • Reputation: +1953/-361
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 04:22:07 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • A popular priest can have great influence on his flock.

    Offline bernadette

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 430
    • Reputation: +592/-144
    • Gender: Female
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 06:59:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Wessex
    A popular priest can have great influence on his flock.


    Especially the ones that can't think for themselves...

    Offline Augstine Baker

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 985
    • Reputation: +274/-1
    • Gender: Male
      • h
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #13 on: March 16, 2012, 01:12:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: bernadette
    Quote from: Wessex
    A popular priest can have great influence on his flock.


    Especially the ones that can't think for themselves...


    I think I can be reasonably sure that when it comes to discussions about the SSPX, that you will manage a disparaging remark completely undisturbed by due diligence of any kind.


    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5767
    • Reputation: +4620/-480
    • Gender: Male
    Diocesan bishop confirms SSPX children
    « Reply #14 on: March 16, 2012, 06:20:51 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Would this be the norm under "regularization"?