Quote from: Desmond

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They are inundated with heresy

Could you post just a few examples, out of this figurative inundation?

Surely, it will be a easy task.

Schism.

They excommunicate anyone they disagree with.

This I agree with.  Perhaps not full schism but theirs is certainly a schismatic attitude because they have a strong tendency to denounce people as non-Catholic and outside the Church based on their own reasoning.

I have not detected any "heresy" ... even if some of their opinions are strongly held.

I just wanted to say that I am grateful for the Dimond Brothers because they introduced me to traditional Catholicism. It was reading their website that started me on my road to conversion.

In a similar vein, many Traditional Catholics owe some gratitude to the bits of goodness and truth found in many other imperfect, sometimes very dangerous places:


* the Indult
* conservative Novus Ordo priests and groups
* etc.

But when we were in those places, we were supposed to keep moving along, until we arrived at the FULL truth.

Unfortunately, some people never (or extremely slowly, so it seems like they're not moving) escape those places which indeed contain some goodness/truth. The equivalent of living off garbage found in the dumpster.

You can't tell a man living off garbage to stop eating garbage and DIE, especially after you've done all you can to point out the better food to him.
(the poor man just doesn't get it for some reason.)

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If their truths are truths, then they belong to everyone and can be found elsewhere. They do not corner that market and there is no need for most of us to expose ourselves to their errors.

True, this is common sense. Unfortunately is there even one single group active today one could swear it does not hold/promote one single error?

In fact, how could you even be sure you're not, at this very moment?

Don't be ridiculous. Quit trying to peddle agnosticism (the idea that we can't know truth)

The whole point of the Traditional movement is to leave a dangerous situation (Conciliar Church) where we aren't being fed, and to find pastors who will feed the sheep (rather than try to slaughter them). So we go out into the wilderness, looking for places we can nourish and keep our Catholic Faith.

Just about every other Trad group is superior, i.e. a safer lifeboat for one's Faith than the bitter, schismatic Dimond brothers.

We Catholics can and should judge trees by their fruits. When I see Catholics staying home from the Mass and Sacraments because they are being picky about some small thing that doesn't matter, suffering very real damage which really DOES matter, I know that the advice they received is erroneous and evil.

Don't be ridiculous. Quit trying to peddle agnosticism (the idea that we can't know truth)

I'm being objective. If in our day and age(Church and Pope absent, formally or factually, indifferently) Truth was so easy to obtain, your own very forum wouldn't be utterly divided on itself.

You got SVs, SPs, BODers, Feeneyists, BODomaniacs of various degrees, all sorts of things.

The whole point of the Traditional movement is to leave a dangerous situation (Conciliar Church) where we aren't being fed, and to find pastors who will feed the sheep (rather than try to slaughter them). So we go out into the wilderness, looking for places we can nourish and keep our Catholic Faith.

Yes, of course. It is a necessary first step and an anchor of relative certitude in dire times.
But what if by adhering to one specific "traditionalist" group you were to embrace error? Be it Dimondism, Feeneyism, Dogmatic SVism, BODoramism, passiveinfallibilitism, OCACism, I have no idea how many possible ones.

It can happen. Even the hardcore SV/Cekadian position of "everything before V2=100% orthodox" may very well be erroneous.

Just about every other Trad group is superior, i.e. a safer lifeboat for one's Faith than the bitter, schismatic Dimond brothers.

Surely just about every other group is more tolerant. But a safer lifeboat?
Objectively speaking, in the context of the Great Apostasy, I or anyone else can't be absolutely sure.

We Catholics can and should judge trees by their fruits. When I see Catholics staying home from the Mass and Sacraments because they are being picky about some small thing that doesn't matter, suffering very real damage which really DOES matter, I know that the advice they received is erroneous and evil.

Right. Of course you can only say this based on your own personal understanding and personal theology. It is almost entirely subjective too.

Quote from: Desmond

What I know is they are the single most hated "traditionalist" group on the face of the Earth.

Yep.  Hands down.

Manifest heretics can't be Traditionalist Catholic.

Quote from: ranlare

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: ranlare

It's really too bad they conned you.

Nobody's "conned" me.  Unlike yourself, I was trying to give an objective picture.

You're obviously pretty young and not qualified to.

LOL.  I'm 47 years old, spent several years in a couple of Traditional seminaries, completed my Ph.D. coursework (though not the thesis) in Patristic Greek and Latin.  Fail.

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You, like many of your generation, greedily took their bait.

   "[my] generation"

What terrible and costly discernment. Fail.

The fruits of your labor? Now you give countenance to demons who oppose the Council of Trent and the 1917 Code's sacred teachings on Baptism. Ultimate Fail.

The Dimonds are “the most hated trads” because  they are dogmatic sedevacantes and they do not believe that non-Catholics can be saved. That combination pretty much renders them to find adherents among less than 1/100 of 1 % of Catholics, if that many. There are very few sedevacantes priests in the world, and practically all of them believe that non-Catholics can be saved. That leaves the Dimond’s as the odd men out. Yet, their website is said to have more viewers than the Vatican website. Someone is reading what they write.

Here ‘s the secret:
Though the sedevacantes won’t admit it, the Dimond’s website is the best source for information on why anyone is sedevacantes, and the sedevacantes use that information.

and

All those who do not believe that non-Catholics can be saved, the so-called Feeneyites, also go to the Dimond’s website for the most up to date and complete source for information on EENS.

The shepherd is struck (the pope) and the sheep are scattered, till there is a shepherd to lead us, we are on our own. You will not find any Catholic  group that is a perfect substitute for the shepherd, so, till God deigns to send us a shepherd, a pope, to straighten things out, all “groups” will have defects. Don’t follow anyone blindly.