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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Different ethnic people are different from each other
« on: January 20, 2016, 09:29:18 PM »
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  • In the last week or so, I've argued in favor of a man's right to explore the authenticity of the Curse of Ham.  

    As we continue to celebrate the octave of black people until the end of February, I shall now begin to share passages from Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America.  The running theme of these passages is: People are actually genetically different from each other, and our differences are more than skin deep.  

    These passages come from "Chapter 3: DNA and the Breaking of the Blank Slate."

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    [The] use of the terms racism and racist, nearly always as an attack, became prominent at the same time as the blank-slate view of human nature.  The middle and late 20th century were dominated by the triumph of nurture over nature in diverse fields from psychology to biology.  Blank-slate views of human nature hold, to varying degrees of absolutism, that there are no intrinsic differences in aptitude, tendency, or interest among human beings -- not only in terms of category, such as ethnic groups or gender, but even as individuals.

    The blank-slate idea of human nature was behind Soviet attempts to create a new innately collectivist Soviet Man through brute force of propaganda and indoctrination.  To put it mildly, that didn't work out well.  The blank-slate view of the human mind is behind every piece of pop-psychological babble that some criminal's actions are society's fault rather than his own.  A blank-slate view of biological gender is one of the several mutually incompatible threads that runs through feminist thought, and it is behind the quixotic idea that men and women are naturally identical when not artificially molded into differing roles by society.  
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 10:08:57 PM »
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  • You quote a good point --

    One of the errors of the Modern World is that there are no intrinsic, innate differences between men and women. They do deny the fundamentals of human nature, which God designed.

    This could be extended to the different races as well. It's common sense that they are different (broadly speaking), but we're supposed to pretend otherwise.

    Pretending something that isn't reality is the essence of foolishness.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 10:55:28 PM »
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  • There’s no denying all races (except for those who call themselves Jєωs, but do lie, and are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan – Rev 2:9 & 3:9, and due to Matthew 27:25) and both genders are equal in dignity and worth to the Lord Who created all of us. No race has more intrinsic value than another race in the Eyes of Christ, and, therefore, nobody has the right to enslave another people based on race and being perceived as “lesser human”.  However, it’s also true some races are more advanced than other races. The white, European-descended race is, demonstrably, the most advanced race in history. Hospitals, electronics, airplanes, air conditioning, rockets, the space shuttle, cars, trains, firearms, phones, the Scientific Method, skyscrapers, culture (Church architecture before Vat II and Catholic culture – paintings, icons, statues, music) etc., were created by the white man.

    If it wasn’t for the white race, all of Africa’s people would still be chucking spears, dropping loads in bushes and getting stepped on by giraffes, while having no electricity, no clean water, no schools, no infrastructure, etc. The same goes for "Native" Americans, but replace "getting stepped on by giraffes" with "getting eaten by bears".

    Now, this is not an absolute rule, for the Lord can bless a person, regardless of race, to be a genius who invents something that greatly contributes to humanity in the temporal realm, but, generally, the evidence shows the white race has been more blessed with these gifts.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 11:01:50 PM »
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  • It's hard to deny the reality of the "bell curve".

    For example, there are exceptions in both directions (for all races) but that's the nature of a bell curve. Most are in the middle, and it tapers off at both ends.

    But the center of the "bell" is in different places for the different races.

    I find it interesting. And it's certainly not incompatible with Catholicism -- quite the contrary. God loves hierarchy, variety, and harmony (NOT the unity of sameness) in everything He created.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 04:18:22 AM »
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    If it wasn’t for the white race, ...

    Come now! The whole white race didn't achieve all that. Some exceptional men, who were white, did it. Most of us didn't!


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    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 05:35:40 AM »
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    It's hard to deny the reality of the "bell curve".

    For example, there are exceptions in both directions (for all races) but that's the nature of a bell curve. Most are in the middle, and it tapers off at both ends.

    But the center of the "bell" is in different places for the different races.

    I find it interesting. And it's certainly not incompatible with Catholicism -- quite the contrary. God loves hierarchy, variety, and harmony (NOT the unity of sameness) in everything He created.


    While I agree in concept with the Bell curve how do you explain the overwhelming volume of inventions, patents, technologies, advancements by white American men?  Many of them were not highly intelligent nor were they Catholic.  I lean towards the Solange Hertz theory of luciferian intervention.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 05:38:26 AM »
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    If it wasn’t for the white race, ...

    Come now! The whole white race didn't achieve all that. Some exceptional men, who were white, did it. Most of us didn't!



    All of the above are averages and tendencies, though some are nearly universal within particular populations, and naturally, there are no shortage of variations and exceptions.  Blank-slate ideologues, of both left and right, tend to find the entire subject uncomfortable, and so often discuss them as if the exceptions were the rule. As if a short, skinny Icelander or Estonian disproved the average heights and weights in their countries, or the success of Jamaicans and African-Americans in running were, by a roundabout path, traceable to cultural factors, racism, and a lack of optimism in other sports.  

    But then, reality tends to be inconvenient.  

    Now, do all humans have the same average emotional temperament?  Here, we enter the realm of serious controversy.  In premodern times, when it was universally recognized that temperamental traits tended to run in families, it was commonly assumed, by analogy, that they also ran in larger populations as well.  Stereotypes of north European populations as stolid or grim, and of Mediterranean peoples as more emotionally expressive were held by those Mediterranean peoples themselves in ancient times.  The blank-state view has, for a century, flatly denied such ideas as racist.  Yet, genomic research now increasingly supports it.  On of the more dramatic examples concerns Monoamine oxidase A, more casually known as "the Warrior Gene."
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    « Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 11:15:25 AM »
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     I lean towards the Solange Hertz theory of luciferian intervention.


    Very interesting. Can you elaborate on that?
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    « Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 03:07:08 PM »
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  •   Cultural Marxists want to destroy all national, ethnic, and religious distinctions.  It's fine to show some group loyalties. We're even bound by natural law to defend our homeland. The problem with a lot of white racialists is that it's not all about group loyalty. They have to prove their better than every group. A group they feel is unworthy gets treated almost subhuman.   It's kind of like what Joe Sobran said about nationalism:

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    In the same way, many Americans admire America for being strong, not for being American. For them America has to be “the greatest country on earth” in order to be worthy of their devotion. If it were only the 2nd-greatest, or the 19th-greatest, or, heaven forbid, “a 3rd-rate power,” it would be virtually worthless.

    This is nationalism, not patriotism. Patriotism is like family love. You love your family just for being your family, not for being “the greatest family on earth” (whatever that might mean) or for being “better” than other families. You don’t feel threatened when other people love their families the same way. On the contrary, you respect their love, and you take comfort in knowing they respect yours. You don’t feel your family is enhanced by feuding with other families.
     

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    « Reply #9 on: January 21, 2016, 03:13:49 PM »
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  • There is a clever maxim out there that says "necessity is the mother of invention" but it's false.  IQ is the mother of invention.  


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    « Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 03:51:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
    the overwhelming volume of inventions, patents, technologies, advancements by white American men?  Many of them were not highly intelligent nor were they Catholic. .


    True. There are very few Catholic inventors.

    Who exactly identifies themselves as "white", but a few Americans?

    Then there are the Irish, French, Polish, Italians, Spanish, Catholic "white" countries, what did they invent? Very few modern inventions come from Catholics. One would be more accurate and correct in saying that:

      "The Protestants are the most advanced peoples in history. Hospitals, electronics, airplanes, air conditioning, rockets, the space shuttle, cars, trains, firearms, phones, the Scientific Method, skyscrapers, culture ... were created by the Protestant man".
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    « Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 04:29:40 PM »
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    There is a clever maxim out there that says "necessity is the mother of invention" but it's false.  IQ is the mother of invention.  



    There's good reason why the maxim "necessity is the mother of invention" is a maxim, and that "IQ is the mother of invention" is not.

    Many if not most people with really high IQ's are deficient, you could almost say autistic, in all other areas of life. The solo inventors and movers are not of the highest IQ's, they are always well rounded people and not always scrupulous (they stole to complete their invention). The really high IQ's can function in a group setting, organizations, like large corporations, where other people fill in their defects, and the group can make something of, or complete the ideas and work of the higher IQ's type.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 04:52:24 PM »
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    There is a clever maxim out there that says "necessity is the mother of invention" but it's false.  IQ is the mother of invention.  



    There's good reason why the maxim "necessity is the mother of invention" is a maxim, and that "IQ is the mother of invention" is not.

    Many if not most people with really high IQ's are deficient, you could almost say autistic, in all other areas of life. The solo inventors and movers are not of the highest IQ's, they are always well rounded people and not always scrupulous (they stole to complete their invention). The really high IQ's can function in a group setting, organizations, like large corporations, where other people fill in their defects, and the group can make something of, or complete the ideas and work of the higher IQ's type.



    They possessed IQ.

    Africa, in general, is a sweltering cesspool of bugs, heat so it would be natural for Africans to have invented air conditioned.  Instead, it was invented by the same people who mastered running water, then electricity, then air conditioning.  People with above average IQ's.

    Don't get carried away with using autistic people as examples.  Those autistic people are housed in institutions for their care in the same countries where the aforementioned inventions occurred.  If these autistic souls were in Africa, the place with the need, they would have been eaten under the assumption that eating them drives away evil spirits.

    Invention doesn't happen without IQ, and high IQ at that.  

    Think of it this way - No IQ, no progress.


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    « Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 05:13:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
     autistic people are housed in institutions for their care in the same countries where the aforementioned inventions occurred.  If these autistic souls were in Africa, ....they would have been eaten under the assumption that eating them drives away evil spirits.


    Isn't it more realistic to say that autistic (and the physically and mentality retarded)  people "in the countries where the aforementioned inventions occurred", are aborted?

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    In Africa because "they are backward", the autistic and mentally and physically retarded have a chance to live and maybe go to heaven?
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    « Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 05:20:48 PM »
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    It's hard to deny the reality of the "bell curve".

    For example, there are exceptions in both directions (for all races) but that's the nature of a bell curve. Most are in the middle, and it tapers off at both ends.

    But the center of the "bell" is in different places for the different races.

    I find it interesting. And it's certainly not incompatible with Catholicism -- quite the contrary. God loves hierarchy, variety, and harmony (NOT the unity of sameness) in everything He created.


    I smell 5,000 year old bacon.

    Fun fact: did you know that Catholics lag behind certain Protestant denoms by roughly the same deviation as black-to-white? Atheist outscore all faiths and Jєωs sit pretty on top of the whole heap.

    But we can't deny the bell-curve!

    Even if the Flynn effect turns all of our grandparents into knuckle-draggers... look at how much we evolved since the early 20th century! Thanks Jєωs!

    And of course, those of you who believe the Curse of Ham is biological would be thrilled to discover that belief in Christ curses all of us to serve one another!

    Put 2 and 2 together please.
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