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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Differences between races beyond skin deep
« on: May 15, 2014, 04:50:25 AM »
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  • I am interested in hearing Catholic discussion about this matter.  More evidence is coming out about the differences between different ethnicities.  Vox Day's latest post, "Genetic Segregation," discusses this:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/05/genetic-segregation.html

    Vox quotes Nicholas Wade's A Troublesome Inheritance.  Here is a taste:

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    "As it happens, the promoter for MAO-A is quite variable in the human population. People may have two, three, four or five copies of it, and the more copies they have, the more of the MAO-A enzyme their cells produce. What difference does this make to a person’s behavior? Quite a lot, it turns out. People with three, four or five copies of the MAO-A promoter are normal but those with only two copies have a much higher level of delinquency.... He and his colleagues looked at the MAO-A promoters in African Americans. The subjects were the same 2,524 American youths in the study by Shih mentioned above. Of the African American men in the sample, 5% carried two MAO-A promoters, the condition that Shih had found to be associated with higher levels of delinquency. Members of the two-promoter group were significantly more likely to have been arrested and imprisoned than African Americans who carried three or four promoters. The same comparison could not be made in white, or Caucasian, males, the researchers report, because only 0.1% carry the two-promoter allele."


    Vox Day then begins to conclude that the great experiment of our current social policies in Western society is doomed to failure and even discivic.  

    The most pungent part, I thought was this one:

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    However, genetic science has completely exploded most of the equalitarian mantras. We are not all the same under the skin. Race is not only skin-deep. The content of your character can, on average, be reasonably judged by, if not necessarily the color of your skin, by the sum total of your superficial features. Human evolution did not stop at some point in the distant past. Civilization is not magically bestowed by geographic location. Education is not the answer.


    Bluntly stated.  

    Now, I wonder what the implications are in regards to the Faith.  Thoughts?
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    Differences between races beyond skin deep
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 12:16:55 PM »
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  • As you already know, Laramie, Our Lord wants us to pray for souls.  

    The differences are there, no matter how much we wish they weren't, otherwise Switzerland and Swaziland would be nearly indistinguishable but that doesn't alter the faith.

    Our Lord told the apostles to preach to all the nations in the world, those that are gifted and those that are "in need of a custodian".  


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    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 12:32:39 PM »
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    The nature of this great and mysterious thing that is heredity - the passing on through a bloodline, perpetuated from generation to generation, of a rich ensemble of material and spiritual assets, the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries - the true nature of this heredity can undoubtedly be distorted by materialistic theories. But one can, and must also, consider this reality enormously important in the fullness of its human and supernatural truth.

    One certainly cannot deny the existence of a material substratum in the transmission of hereditary characteristics; to be surprised at this one would have to forget the intimate union of our soul with our body, and in what great measure our most spiritual activities are themselves dependent upon our physical temperament. For this reason Christian morality never forgets to remind parents of the great responsibilities resting on their shoulders in this regard.

    Yet of greater import still is spiritual heredity, which is transmitted not so much through these mysterious bonds of material generation as by the permanent action of that privileged environment that is the family, with the slow and profound formation of souls in the atmosphere of a hearth rich in high intellectual, moral, and especially Christian traditions, with the mutual influence of those dwelling under the same roof, an influence whose beneficial effects endure well beyond the years of childhood and youth, all the way to the end of a long life, in those elect souls who are able to meld within themselves the treasures of a precious heredity with the addition of their own merits and experiences.

    Such is the most prized patrimony of all, which, illuminated by a solid faith and enlivened by a strong and loyal practice of Christian life in all its demands, will raise, refine, and enrich the souls of your children.


    - from the 1941 Allocution to the Roman Patriciate and Nobility

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    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 12:32:44 PM »
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    As you already know, Laramie, Our Lord wants us to pray for souls.  

    The differences are there, no matter how much we wish they weren't, otherwise Switzerland and Swaziland would be nearly indistinguishable but that doesn't alter the faith.

    Our Lord told the apostles to preach to all the nations in the world, those that are gifted and those that are "in need of a custodian".  


    Those that are gifted are responsible to help those that need a big brother or custodian to get to heaven.

    Look at how the Spanish Jesuits set up communities for the South American Indians -- with a huge Church at the center, of course. They even divided up the crops evenly (the Spanish weren't "plantation owners"), but note that the Indians did benefit both corporeally and spiritually by the presence of their Spanish benefactors.

    And look at Archbishop Lefebvre (representing the French) in Africa -- bringing souls to Christ. Of course +Lefebvre was more intelligent, etc. but look how he was using it -- to save souls and even help these African villages in worldly matters.

    When I look at cases like this, I can't help but to think that it's God's will. God obviously made different races of men (or caused them to develop) differently. Wherever you look, God is always about variety, symphony (harmony of various elements) and hierarchy.

    Look at the elements of the material world -- you have Hydrogen and you have Lead. Look at how different they are! And how many elements are in this world total? Look at the mineral, plant and animal kingdoms. HUGE amounts of variety.

    Having read the New Testament, I'm further convinced that God will expect from each of us based on what He gave us. That goes for talents, wealth, health, and any other gifts he has bestowed.

    Seeing yourself rich isn't a reason to despise poor people. Seeing yourself gifted thanks to your genes is not a reason to despise other races.
    But in all things we must use God's blessings properly, as we will have to render an account for everything He has given us.

    Whether you received talents, opportunities, health, wealth, or anything else, God didn't give it to you so you could be puffed-up about it. He wants you to do something GOOD with it.


    It follows from this that denying that a blessing exists is basically taking your Talent and burying it. We recall what God thought of that. So that can't be the answer.

    I believe in acknowledging the Truth in all cases, and also trying to do God's will and emulate the Saints. What did holy men of my race(s) do in the past?
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    « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 02:15:11 PM »
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  • Good talk thus far.  Agree on most points.  In the end, it is the soul that matters.  

    I scanned the comments over at the blog I got this from.  Vox goes further with a prediciton about the future:

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    You can no longer deny those differences. They are intrinsic. They are genetic. They are scientifically observed.

    Whether you believe it or not, I do not wish to see a single African individual physically harmed. Not one. And whether you believe it or not, the great game of equalitarian make-believe of the last 50 years is very likely to lead to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths, around the world.

    The coming racial and ethnic segregation is absolutely inevitable. The only question is whether it will be violent or non-violent. The only chance we have of avoiding WWII-level body counts is to provide positive incentives for peaceful and voluntary segregation. If we do not, the horrors will be dreadful... and the blood will be on the hands of those who insisted, contra all history and science, that all men are equal.

    I am not a Hitler or a would-be Hitler. But I can see such men on the horizon if we do not act to render the attraction to them null and void.



    Could he be right?  A future of voluntary segregation or death?

    I cannot imagine my society ever agreeing to even the most basic axioms to lay out even the arguments for this decision.
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    « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 03:00:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    Good talk thus far.  Agree on most points.  In the end, it is the soul that matters.  

    I scanned the comments over at the blog I got this from.  Vox goes further with a prediciton about the future:

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    You can no longer deny those differences. They are intrinsic. They are genetic. They are scientifically observed.

    Whether you believe it or not, I do not wish to see a single African individual physically harmed. Not one. And whether you believe it or not, the great game of equalitarian make-believe of the last 50 years is very likely to lead to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths, around the world.

    The coming racial and ethnic segregation is absolutely inevitable. The only question is whether it will be violent or non-violent. The only chance we have of avoiding WWII-level body counts is to provide positive incentives for peaceful and voluntary segregation. If we do not, the horrors will be dreadful... and the blood will be on the hands of those who insisted, contra all history and science, that all men are equal.

    I am not a Hitler or a would-be Hitler. But I can see such men on the horizon if we do not act to render the attraction to them null and void.



    Could he be right?  A future of voluntary segregation or death?

    I cannot imagine my society ever agreeing to even the most basic axioms to lay out even the arguments for this decision.


    I agree with him completely.

    Nature has a way of fighting back.

    When you stretch things too far in one direction, it has a way of snapping back to the opposite extreme like a stretched rubber band.

    Think of all the European white males once they awaken to the fact that they've been attacked and used over the years. Let's just say that all of them won't react like virtuous, Traditional Catholics. Some of them are going to react in much more base and human ways...

    "Affirmative action? How about we hang a few minorities." And so forth. If any unrest gets started in a country like ours, it's going to get very ugly.

    So in the long run, it was foolish to deny reality and the truth. It always is.


    And the longer reality/truth is denied, the more severe will be the correction. That is a universal truth.

    That goes for the world's financial system, that goes for Affirmative Action, that goes for liberalism, that goes for anything.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2014, 04:01:05 PM »
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    Good talk thus far.  Agree on most points.  In the end, it is the soul that matters.  

    I scanned the comments over at the blog I got this from.  Vox goes further with a prediciton about the future:

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    You can no longer deny those differences. They are intrinsic. They are genetic. They are scientifically observed.

    Whether you believe it or not, I do not wish to see a single African individual physically harmed. Not one. And whether you believe it or not, the great game of equalitarian make-believe of the last 50 years is very likely to lead to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths, around the world.

    The coming racial and ethnic segregation is absolutely inevitable. The only question is whether it will be violent or non-violent. The only chance we have of avoiding WWII-level body counts is to provide positive incentives for peaceful and voluntary segregation. If we do not, the horrors will be dreadful... and the blood will be on the hands of those who insisted, contra all history and science, that all men are equal.

    I am not a Hitler or a would-be Hitler. But I can see such men on the horizon if we do not act to render the attraction to them null and void.



    Could he be right?  A future of voluntary segregation or death?

    I cannot imagine my society ever agreeing to even the most basic axioms to lay out even the arguments for this decision.


    I agree with him completely.

    Nature has a way of fighting back.

    When you stretch things too far in one direction, it has a way of snapping back to the opposite extreme like a stretched rubber band.

    Think of all the European white males once they awaken to the fact that they've been attacked and used over the years. Let's just say that all of them won't react like virtuous, Traditional Catholics. Some of them are going to react in much more base and human ways...

    "Affirmative action? How about we hang a few minorities." And so forth. If any unrest gets started in a country like ours, it's going to get very ugly.

    So in the long run, it was foolish to deny reality and the truth. It always is.


    And the longer reality/truth is denied, the more severe will be the correction. That is a universal truth.

    That goes for the world's financial system, that goes for Affirmative Action, that goes for liberalism, that goes for anything.


    Its coming, I can sense it. It has been prophesied to happen as "sent by God". Our women are turning our backs on us every day over these issues. Punishment will be here within the next 20 years. Not just here but all over the world. The truth is the truth. Enough is said. You should never deny the truth even if it is hard to swallow. I have been through hell and back over the last 12 years or so, and I am ready.

    The only solution to ending oppression over racial and religious beliefs is segregation. It can be done peacefully or it can be done by force. According to prophecy, it is going to be bloody.