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Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2015, 10:11:26 AM »
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    The local forces had not even established a security cordon around the school, thanks to the mismanagement of Dzasokhov

    There were hundreds upon hundreds of locals and parents many of whom were armed.  That hardly strikes me as a desirable thing to have.  Those people should have been pulled back and full security cordon thrown up if for no other reason that to avoid a random crazed parent or group of them attacking the school.

    Because he failed to do that, by the time the FSB turned up those people did not want to move and that made their job doubly difficult.

    You are dealing with suicide terrorists with 1100 hostages, nearly 800 of them children.  They were armed to the teeth and dearly determined to die.  With a sh!t sandwich like that there is no way you are going to come out with less than 100 dead and you could have easily lost 60 percent.

    The Western world has a policy of negotiating with terrorists to save every possible life.  The Russians don't have that policy.  Their top priority is to kill the terrorists and then to save as many hostages a possible.

    Hard, yes, but I can see an upside to it.  How many Russian ships have been attacked by Somali Pirates recently?  How many hostage situations has Russia faced in the last 10 years after the Moscow Theatre and Beslan?


    Still, the man was a proven negotiator up until the FSB took over. Those "crazed" parents couldn't possibly do more damage than the Spetznas did.

    Hostage crises are fairly rare to begin with. There's no way to tell how much this has really put off suicidally homicidal terrorists, but we have to allow for disagreement there. Russia just had their first school shooting by a student last year, and Russia seems to be vacillating between supporting gun control and supporting gun ownership... sound familiar?  

    The Somali pirate situation has been in decline for some years now, but Russia did have it's share of pirate attacks during the height of their aggression. Thankfully, as far as I can tell the Russian Navy did do its best to ensure the hostages were safe before attacking the pirates though on at least one occasion in 2010.
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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #61 on: January 29, 2015, 11:26:48 PM »
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  • This thing has gotten way off topic............Father Gruner ONLY wants the Pope to consecrate Russia....that's it.....Why this thread has rambled and rumbled into so much more is beyond me...If you dont believe the consecration has been done.....get on board....if you do...shut it....


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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #62 on: January 30, 2015, 08:27:58 AM »
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  • You're telling me you didn't get anything out of that discussion? Whether you agree with me or not, surely something in there would have been of use, no?

    Maybe not.  :tinfoil:

    Well I guess we could rail about Gruner for 10 pages, but the CFN Special Forces would hunt me down like a dog!

    Nah, I don't even have it in me for one critical post about Gruner.

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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #63 on: January 30, 2015, 11:30:26 AM »
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    This thing has gotten way off topic............Father Gruner ONLY wants the Pope to consecrate Russia....that's it.....Why this thread has rambled and rumbled into so much more is beyond me...If you dont believe the consecration has been done.....get on board....if you do...shut it....


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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #64 on: February 01, 2015, 04:47:34 AM »
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  • While I respect both Fr. Gruner and Fr. Kramer, they seem to have modified somewhat the earlier perspective they had on Russia. Namely, that on account of the negligence of the authorities to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart, God would use Russia to chastise the west before her conversion. Do they now view prophecies such as that below, cited by them earlier, as purely conditional? From http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/fatima6b.htm

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    Sister Elena Aiello [+1961] who is of great renown for her prophecies was told by Our Lady: "My Heart is sad for so many sufferings in an impending world in ruin . . . The wrath of God is near. Soon the world will be afflicted with great calamities, bloody revolutions, frightful hurricanes and the overflowing of rivers and the seas . . . the world will be overturned in a new and more terrible war. Arms most deadly will destroy peoples and nations. The dictators of the earth, specimens infernal, will demolish the churches and desecrate the Holy Eucharist, and will destroy things most dear. In this impious war, much will be destroyed of that which has been built by the hands of man . . .

       "Another terrible war will come from the east to the west. Russia with her secret armies will battle America; will overrun Europe. The river Rhine will be overflowing with corpses and blood. Italy, also, will be harassed by a great revolution, and the Pope will suffer terribly . . .

       "Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of St. Peter's. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution and Rome will be purified for its many sins, especially those of impurity . . ." In the apparition of Our Lady of Good Success, which took place on February 2, 1634, the Mother of God revealed to Mother Mary Anne of Jesus Torres: "there will be a terrible war in which the blood of priests and of religious will flow . . . wickedness will seem triumphant." The same was foretold by Sister Rose Asdente of Taggia [+1847]: "There shall be great confusion of people 'against people, and nations against nations. The Russians," she explains, "shall come to make war on Italy . . . Priests and religious shall be butchered and the earth, especially in Italy, shall be watered with their blood ..."

    Sister Lucy elaborated this topic on December 26, 1957, saying to Father Fuentes: "Tell them Father that many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation."

    It appears that the world today is truly "on the verge of a frightful abyss". The prophetic revelations made to Sister Elena Aiello confirm the earlier prophecies of St. John Bosco, Blessed Anna Maria Taigi and others that there will be a great war waged against the Western nations by Russia, China and the Islamic nations.  
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.


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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #65 on: February 01, 2015, 07:12:00 AM »
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  • I think Communist ideology plagiarized some ideas from Christianity that would be very popular among most if people were not so sinful today and distorted them. Here's one of the examples of the ideas they have stolen to compete with us, Jesus and The True Church were the true inventors of Welfare. It is a stolen banner:

    Proverbs 19:17

    "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."

    Matthew 5:42

    "Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."

    Luke 14:12-14

    "He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

    Proverbs 22:9

    "Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor."

    Back in Christendom when the church and the state were one. The Church provided the welfare. Jesus himself taught us to be humble when we can and to help the poor. The tithings were used for welfare services to fund the church, assist and provide aid to the poor. The poor received free medical care and free food from The Church if they couldn't afford it to survive.

    What has happened is that Socialists want to replace the role of The Church with the party or the state. They have created their own atheistic godless counterpart which sometimes leads to the worship of the state or leader even. Copying the system of Christendom and distorting it to create an atheist counterpart. Taxing the population is their counterpart of tithing.

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    Did Putin ask Pope Francis to consecrate Russia?
    « Reply #66 on: February 01, 2015, 03:43:47 PM »
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    While I respect both Fr. Gruner and Fr. Kramer, they seem to have modified somewhat the earlier perspective they had on Russia. Namely, that on account of the negligence of the authorities to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart, God would use Russia to chastise the west before her conversion. Do they now view prophecies such as that below, cited by them earlier, as purely conditional? From http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/fatima6b.htm


    It would appear so. Very strange!

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    I think Communist ideology plagiarized some ideas from Christianity that would be very popular among most if people were not so sinful today and distorted them. Here's one of the examples of the ideas they have stolen to compete with us, Jesus and The True Church were the true inventors of Welfare. It is a stolen banner:

    Proverbs 19:17

    "Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed."

    Matthew 5:42

    "Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you."

    Luke 14:12-14

    "He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

    Proverbs 22:9

    "Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor."

    Back in Christendom when the church and the state were one. The Church provided the welfare. Jesus himself taught us to be humble when we can and to help the poor. The tithings were used for welfare services to fund the church, assist and provide aid to the poor. The poor received free medical care and free food from The Church if they couldn't afford it to survive.

    What has happened is that Socialists want to replace the role of The Church with the party or the state. They have created their own atheistic godless counterpart which sometimes leads to the worship of the state or leader even. Copying the system of Christendom and distorting it to create an atheist counterpart. Taxing the population is their counterpart of tithing.


    Good observation.

    The first step is spreading false victimhood among the populace as opposed to the one and only true Victim, Christ. Then they frame Catholicism and it's various effects on society as the identified oppressor. Next, a pseudo-messiah must be propped up to crush the identified oppressor in order to liberate the false victims. This often includes a depiction of false piety and a transfer of positive traits from the Church to whoever or whatever is running counter to it. You might be able to argue that there is a corresponding infernal mockery of how the Church occasionally redirects useful contributions from non-Christian cultures and makes them her own.

    It's a simple and seductive technique that few are able to fight effectively against.
    Fortuna finem habet.

     

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