Author Topic: devaluing others on CI (Read 11273 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:16:56 PM »

When you allow liberals to troll here you are defeating the purpose of having a traditional Catholic forum.

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And you seem to be falling into the same trap Raoul76 fell into -- he looked at his rep score, looked at my rep score, and said, "Hey, what they heck! People like me as much as they like the owner!" and he proceeded to get VERY uppity as a result.

You seem to be the one more concerned with rep and what it means.

When my negative rep score was shown, it was a badge of honor. It showed that obsessive people were targeting me. Now that the rep breakdown is hidden the true situation is no longer apparent.

You call me "uppity" - if ggreg was trolling you about your livelihood, about being a "nutter," your personal life, how long would he last?

You let those people run amok for far too long, and you were on the verge of declaring "open season."

I think you should examine your motives.

Donachie · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:17:12 PM »

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I wonder how many disasters have been caused in the Church by people saying:

"We can handle a few liberals looking to undermine things"

The wheat and the tares are within individuals as well as groups. I think the Church works fundamentally from a sort of wheat and tare motif.

ggreg's posts do seem liberal, as you pointed out.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:20:26 PM »

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You let those people run amok for far too long, and you were on the verge of declaring "open season."

I think you should examine your motives.

What do you know about my motives? Or what I was "about to do"?

How do you presume to know them? You can read hearts now? Give me a break!

AT BEST you could guess, which is usually rash judgment in disguise.

We should all be VERY, very hesitant to presume to judge motives.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:25:24 PM »

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What do you know about my motives? Or what I was "about to do"?

You've let it out in so many words.

You don't want an "outcry" You bring up reputation a lot. I don't justify very often by my reputation.

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How do you presume to know them? You can read hearts now? Give me a break!

I don't have to presume to know what's going on when you've said it in so many words.

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AT BEST you could guess, which is usually rash judgment in disguise.

Oh, I'm rashly judging you now? After the insults you've heaped on me?

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We should all be VERY, very hesitant to presume to judge motives.

When people side with liberals against Catholics to please a crowd, practically going back on your word, ignoring just complaints, their can't be good motives.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:30:01 PM »

To side with a profane heterodox liberal targeting another poster with irrelevant personal attacks, for a time not guaranteeing you would keep word, heaping insults on me for complaining about it, so as to prevent too much of an "outcry"

Then bringing up rep? As though I'm the one who considers the rep counter so important in judging the value of posters? (which has been abused by people from fisheaters from the beginning here.)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:33:13 PM »

Should you not have banned Erin or Lua?

Sure, ggreg is a more clever troll than them, but he's a troll, with the same motvies.

Your previous decision to finally end this problem was a good one. The forum has done well since the personal trolling was cut down.

Now perhaps you're bringing it back into force, it sounded in some of your posts like you weren't. Like you hadn't decided it on a moral principle but that it was just "being nice."

Well, what they have been doing is immoral.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:36:23 PM »

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Then bringing up rep? As though I'm the one who considers the rep counter so important in judging the value of posters? (which has been abused by people from fisheaters from the beginning here.)

Just to make it clear, there's no inconsistency in saying this.

The rep counter has always been pretty disreputable because it has been abused by trolls here from the beginning.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:39:04 PM »

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Quote from: Tiffany
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I don't want people harassing Telesphorus. But that doesn't mean that I want to create some sort of a monster -- allowing his anger and other issues to flourish unchecked. He needs to learn to deal with real Catholics in real life, without anyone "protecting" him like an endangered species.

The issue was a smear campaign against T. Instead of Matthew saying Stop It or No It's Permitted, he added to it. It's intolerable for me to see a mod do this to someone.

Those who dismiss T's complaints of fathers and then personally attack him (T) are going to eat crow when your adult sons, grandsons, and nephews experience the same.

I learned a great deal here and enjoyed being a part of this community. I appreciate all those who answered my questions and engaged in conversation with me. :)

Want me to send you a magazine full of black guys?

That is shameful. You are a pathetic excuse for a Catholic. But bu all means continue to post this malevolent nonsense for as long as Matthew allows it. You simply show up yourself and your tribe for the obscene heretics they are.

Why is it that you only attack me for saying things like that and not everyone else? Did you police everyone else every time they said something bad about white men? Or tried to degrade white men by making some other race seem more mature, masculine, etc.? Didn't think so. It seems you are fixated on only attacking white men for their supposed racism because you married to an asian, and have kids by her now. So basically you joined forces with the people who run around screaming racism about every single thing. When in fact 95% of the time it isn't racism.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:41:19 PM »

It's up to you how you want to run the forum Matthew, but if you want more fisheaters types posters to make it bigger, you're really doing a disservice to posters here who've contributed to make it successful.

They didn't join this forum to put with the nonsense that goes on the liberal "trad" forums.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:42:17 PM »

InfiniteFaith, I think you and I share many of the same beliefs on race. I do, however, think your comment to Tiffany was unnecessary.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:45:28 PM »

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InfiniteFaith, I think you and I share many of the same beliefs on race. I do, however, think your comment to Tiffany was unnecessary.

Ok. fine. That was out of line. I apologize. To be honest I am a little upset that a good woman like Tiffany would choose to marry someone of another race.

I do admit though...that was out of line. I hope women like Tiffany understand that it is not OK to degrade white men like that (i.e. make claims that black men are more masculine, mature, etc.). It seriously hurts me that good women like Tiffany really think that way about black men or any other race for that matter. I would like to see good white women view us white men like that. But the way things are going us white men are screwed.

Women like Tiffany are slipping away to minorities. We are losing our good women.

Matthew · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

It's up to you how you want to run the forum Matthew, but if you want more fisheaters types posters to make it bigger, you're really doing a disservice to posters here who've contributed to make it successful.

They didn't join this forum to put with the nonsense that goes on the liberal "trad" forums.

Newsflash:

Just being able to tell those "liberal posters" the true Catholic position -- without getting banned, nay, getting plenty of upvotes for doing so -- is already a huge improvement over FE.

Meanwhile, anything "liberal" will get a flood of downvotes, since the membership of CI is intensely anti-liberal.

THAT is the value of CathInfo. Not some kind of isolation from liberals, like this is a private club for non-liberals only. Of course CathInfo is a hive of anti-liberalism. But that doesn't mean we should fear having one or two members on here to argue with...

Like I've often said, even if EVERYONE on Fisheaters joined tomorrow, this still would not be Fisheaters, because I'm not Vox! A forum tends to take on the shape of its founder/leader/moderator(s). Contrary viewpoints tend to be rooted out, and similar viewpoints tend to be encouraged.

Matto · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:52:25 PM »

I think this forum can handle a few liberals. There are enough posters who are against liberalism to oppose them.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #28 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:55:10 PM »

Bishop Fellay can say he's not Cardinal Mueller or Archbishop Di Noia.

If tomorrow the SSPX was swamped by modernists priests that he willingly accepted, it would cause a total change in the organization.

Sure, you're being in charge of cathinfo makes the forum different.

But clearly, if a forum were swamped with fisheaters, it would be a different forum.

As it is there aren't enough mods here to have a forum the size of fisheaters.

Matthew · « **Reply #29 on:** February 28, 2013, 08:56:02 PM »

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I think this forum can handle a few liberals. There are enough posters who are against liberalism to oppose them.

That's an understatement.

What is Catholic doctrine for when a State has an overwhelming Catholic majority? It should become totalitarian and exile/execute the handful of non-Catholics?

I believe it's the mind of the Church to TOLERATE in such a situation -- where Truth (or the True Faith) has the overwhelming upper-hand advantage. After all, you have to make converts somehow...