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Offline gobosox91

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Deuterocanonical books?
« on: April 19, 2012, 11:07:31 AM »
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  • So, the Protestants always say the reason why they don't include the deuterocanonical books is because it is not written in Hebrew, the Jєωs don't believe them, and they are not quoted by anybody in the New Testament.

    However, somebody told me some were found in Hebrew in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as the fact that the Jєωs did not have the authority to decide which were inspired or not anymore, and also: HEBREWS 11:35 references 2 MACCABEES!!!

    So, with all of this, especially the reference, why do they still deny it?


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    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 11:47:15 AM »
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  • The primary reason they were removed was because Martin Luther and the other heretics didn't think they sufficiently portrayed the sola scriptura view.

    Also, Martin Luther added the "faith alone" to the passage in Romans.  It's not there in any of the original manuscripts.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 12:08:48 PM »
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  • Before the protestants laid their sacrilegious hands on the Bible, they first received the Biblical Canon from the Catholic Church. It is the Catholic Church which taught them that there are four Gospels, for example. They really reject the Book of Maccabees because it contains Catholic teaching regarding Purgatory, the Book of Tobias because it contains Catholic teaching regarding the intercession of Saints and Angels etc.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 01:50:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: gobosox91
    So, the Protestants always say the reason why they don't include the deuterocanonical books is because it is not written in Hebrew, the Jєωs don't believe them, and they are not quoted by anybody in the New Testament.

    However, somebody told me some were found in Hebrew in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as the fact that the Jєωs did not have the authority to decide which were inspired or not anymore, and also: HEBREWS 11:35 references 2 MACCABEES!!!

    So, with all of this, especially the reference, why do they still deny it?


    The thing is, is that the Jєωs decided to reject them as part of their bible sometime after the time of Our Lord (sometime around 60 AD); so at least 30 years after the death and Ressurection of Christ, and 30 years into the New Covenant with man. After His Glorious Ascention, Christ left us the Catholic Church as the single legitimate source of doctrine and teachings. The Old Covenant with the Jєωs was dead, and the Catholic Church alone had the right to accept or reject the books into the Holy Bible.

    The Protestants, therefore, are accepting the teachings of a dead covenant with the Jєωs and Exile states exactly why they would chose to do this.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 02:18:08 PM »
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  • The Protestants have defiled and mutilated the book they have idolized, because what they profess as adhesion to the Sacred Scriptures is ultimately an impious egocentricity that deludes them into thinking they as individuals each constitute the magisterium of Christ's Church.

    It was the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church who defined the Canon of the Books of the Bible, availing herself of the divine authority given her by Our Lord Jesus Christ, Who founded His Church upon the Apostles under the primacy and magisterial infallibility of St. Peter and his successors, the Roman Pontiffs:

    1) The Council of Hippo (A.D. 393, confirmed in the Council of Carthage, A.D. 397) gave a the list of the Canonical Books of the Bible which was identical to that which was formally defined by the Council of Trent. There is considerate substantiation that before this Council, the Council of Nice formally published the same list of the Canonical Books of the Sacred Scriptures.

    2) In A.D. 401, in answer to Exuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, Pope Innocent I gave the exactly the same list as that given by the Council of Carthage. It has been claimed that a similar Canon was given by Pope Damasus (366-384), Pope Gelasius (492-496), or Pope Hormisdas (514-523)

    3) St. Augustine in De Doctrina Christiana, II., viii., 13, gives the same list of Canonical Book (wherein lumps the Books of Baruch and Lamentations with the Prophecy of Jeremias).

    4) The Council of Florence (A.D. 1438) gives the same exact Canon in the Bull of Pope Eugenius IV Cantate Domino.

    5) The Council of Trent definitively defined the Canon of Sacred Scripture against the Protestant heretics in its fourth session, and declared the Vulgate of St. Jerome to be the authentic version of the Holy Bible for the Church.

    The above information was taken from The Catholic Student's "Aids" to the Bible by Rev. Fr. Hugh Pope, O.P., (Vol. I, ch. ii.; London: R. & T. Washbourne, Ltd., 1918).
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 03:52:48 PM »
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  • what about this response? I got this on Yahoo! Answers:


    [/i]1 Enoch is also quoted directly in the Epistle of Jude, and called a prophecy, but that's not in the Bible either.
    Books like 1 Enoch and the books of Maccabees were in fact thought of and taught as scripture by some authorities. The Epistle of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, and Apocalypse of Peter were considered part of the canon by the creator of the Codex Sinaiticus, but they later fell out of favor.
    Really, it's largely based on the popularity of certain traditions, and "church politics." If different people had stronger influences, we would have a very different biblical canon. As it is, we inherited several particular man-made canons in the Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Ethiopian churches, few of which agree with one another.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 03:58:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: gobosox91
    what about this response? I got this on Yahoo! Answers:


    [/i]1 Enoch is also quoted directly in the Epistle of Jude, and called a prophecy, but that's not in the Bible either.
    Books like 1 Enoch and the books of Maccabees were in fact thought of and taught as scripture by some authorities. The Epistle of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, and Apocalypse of Peter were considered part of the canon by the creator of the Codex Sinaiticus, but they later fell out of favor.
    Really, it's largely based on the popularity of certain traditions, and "church politics." If different people had stronger influences, we would have a very different biblical canon. As it is, we inherited several particular man-made canons in the Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Ethiopian churches, few of which agree with one another.


    All the more reason to understand that Sola Scriptura is a Heresy.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 04:09:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: gobosox91
    what about this response? I got this on Yahoo! Answers:


    [/i]1 Enoch is also quoted directly in the Epistle of Jude, and called a prophecy, but that's not in the Bible either.
    Books like 1 Enoch and the books of Maccabees were in fact thought of and taught as scripture by some authorities. The Epistle of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, and Apocalypse of Peter were considered part of the canon by the creator of the Codex Sinaiticus, but they later fell out of favor.
    Really, it's largely based on the popularity of certain traditions, and "church politics." If different people had stronger influences, we would have a very different biblical canon. As it is, we inherited several particular man-made canons in the Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Ethiopian churches, few of which agree with one another.


    That post from Yahoo Answers also smacks of indifferentism, a concept that religions are all pretty much the same, hence, the answer you got was that it was all an opinion.  None of this bodes well for the Sola Scriptura viewpoint so following some heretical protestant sect would simply be an act of vanity.  

    Do you have a Dhouey-Rheims bible?  If not, get one.



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    « Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 09:33:32 PM »
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  • here's a good video on the subject.  Especially helpful if you're dealing with a protestant and you can email it to them.....