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Offline Marlelar

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« on: July 28, 2013, 03:13:09 PM »
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    (TheBlaze/AP) — Retired Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who in the 1980s was a prominent leader of the struggle to end South African apartheid, has made a strident spiritual statement in support of gαy rights.

    “I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven … I mean I would much rather go to the other place,” Tutu said. “I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.”


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    I'm sure the good Lord will accommodate him.

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    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 03:26:26 PM »
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  • Is that not grounds for excommunication?
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    « Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 03:32:27 PM »
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  • this tutu makes more sense than Desmond Tutu
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    « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 03:39:01 PM »
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  • You seem unaware that he's an Anglican Archbishop.
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    « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »
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  • And a commie-symp, to boot.

    'Course, that predilection does seem to cross denominational barriers rather effortlessly, nowadays.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 03:54:11 PM »
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  • Desmond Tutu said:
    “I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.”

    God does not fear ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, he just sends them to hell. Which is where Desmond Tutu will go (barring a conversion).
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    « Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 04:25:19 PM »
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    You seem unaware that he's an Anglican Archbishop.


    Yeah, I know he's not a real Catholic. My point is even under the Newchurch's Code of Canon Law, such a belief, and obvious teaching of it, is grounds for excommunication.

    It seems the only people whom Rome demonizes, and subsequently excommunicates, are real Catholics who teach and defend the true Faith. The rhetorical "pro-life" stance and defense of real marriage is only lip service. You will know them by their fruits. They continue to give Communion to wretched pro-infanticide politicians; and they will do nothing to reprimand Tutu on his defense fαɢɢօtry.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 05:34:54 PM »
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  • That is true,  he is not Roman Catholic but Anglican.  I brought him up because years ago he was the darling in Catholic "ecuмenical, social justice" circles.  I guess this is just an extension of social "justice".

    Choosing hell over heaven certainly does make a point :confused1:  but probably not the one he was thinking of.

    Tutu's statement that  
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    “I would not worship a God who is homophobic

     implies there is a "god" out there who is not "homophobic" and that is who he will worship.

    Hmmm...  now who could that be?  :devil2:



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    « Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 05:53:33 PM »
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  • FTA:

    “'I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven … I mean I would much rather go to the other place,' Tutu said."

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    This reminds me of the "conservatives" who say they'd rather be wrong with the "pope" than right without him.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2013, 06:48:54 PM »
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    (TheBlaze/AP) — Retired Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who in the 1980s was a prominent leader of the struggle to end South African apartheid, has made a strident spiritual statement in support of gαy rights.

    “I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven … I mean I would much rather go to the other place,” Tutu said. “I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.”


     :jester:

    I'm sure the good Lord will accommodate him.

    Marsha

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    And I refuse to go to heaven with a bunch of homophiles and queer-enablers named "tutu" of all things....I would much rather go the other place.

    I will not worship a "god" that is a homophile either.

    That is how deeply I feel as well......."bishop". :rolleyes:

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    « Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 07:22:02 PM »
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  •  :cry:
    This isn't funny.  A man who thinks he wants to burn in hell?  There's nothing amusing about it.
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    « Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 09:05:22 PM »
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    You seem unaware that he's an Anglican Archbishop.


    Yeah, I know he's not a real Catholic. My point is even under the Newchurch's Code of Canon Law, such a belief, and obvious teaching of it, is grounds for excommunication.

    It seems the only people whom Rome demonizes, and subsequently excommunicates, are real Catholics who teach and defend the true Faith. The rhetorical "pro-life" stance and defense of real marriage is only lip service. You will know them by their fruits. They continue to give Communion to wretched pro-infanticide politicians; and they will do nothing to reprimand Tutu on his defense fαɢɢօtry.

    Actually, Rome excommunicates almost nobody. An Anglican doesn't incur excommunication, he's already a member of a condemned sect.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 09:48:07 PM »
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    Actually, Rome excommunicates almost nobody.


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    PRAESTANTIA SCRIPTURAE

    Motu proprio of Our Most Holy Lord Pius X., by Divine Providence Pope, on the decisions of the Pontifical Commission on the Bible and on the censures and penalties against those who neglect to observe the prescriptions against the errors of the modernists:

    In his encyclical letter "Providentissimus Deus," given on November 18, 1893, our predecessor, Leo XIII, of immortal memory, after describing the dignity of Sacred Scripture and commending the study of it, set forth the laws which govern the proper study of the Holy Bible; and having proclaimed the divinity of these books against the errors and calumnies of the rationalists, he at the same time defended them against the false teachings of what is known as the higher criticism, which, as the Pontiff most wisely wrote, are clearly nothing but the commentaries of rationalism derived from a misuse of philology and kindred studies. Our predecessor, too, seeing that the danger was constantly on the increase and wishing to prevent the propagation of rash and erroneous views, by his apostolic letters "Vigilantes studiique memores," given on October 30, 1902, established a Pontifical Council or Commission on Biblical matters, composed of several Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church distinguished for their learning and wisdom, to which Commission were added as consulters a number of men in sacred orders chosen from among the learned in theology and in the Holy Bible, of various nationalities and differing in their methods and views concerning exegetical studies. In so doing the Pontiff had in mind as an advantage most adapted for the promotion of study and for the time in which we live that in this Commission there should be the fullest freedom for proposing, examining and judging all opinions whatsoever, and that the Cardinals of the Commission were not to reach any definite decision, as described in the said apostolic letters, before they had examined the arguments in favor and against the question to be decided, omitting nothing which might serve to show in the clearest light the true and genuine state of the Biblical questions under discussion. Only after all this had been done were the decisions reached to be submitted for the approval of the Supreme Pontiff and then promulgated.

    After mature examination and the most diligent deliberations the Pontifical Biblical Commission has happily given certain decisions of a very useful kind for the proper promotion and direction on safe lines of Biblical studies. But we observe that some persons, unduly prone to opinions and methods tainted by pernicious novelties and excessively devoted to the principle of false liberty, which is really immoderate license and in sacred studies proves itself to be a most insidious and a fruitful source of the worst evils against the purity of the faith, have not received and do not receive these decisions with the proper obedience.

    Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff; nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.

    Moreover, in order to check the daily increasing audacity of many modernists who are endeavoring by all kinds of sophistry and devices to detract from the force and efficacy not only of the decree "Lamentabili sane exitu" (the so-called Syllabus), issued by our order by the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition on July 3 of the present year, but also of our encyclical letters "Pascendi dominici gregis" given on September 8 of this same year, we do by our apostolic authority repeat and confirm both that decree of the Supreme Sacred Congregation and those encyclical letters of ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against their contradictors, and this we declare and decree that should anybody, which may God forbid, be so rash as to defend any one of the propositions, opinions or teachings condemned in these docuмents he falls, ipso facto, under the censure contained under the chapter "Docentes" of the constitution "Apostolicae Sedis," which is the first among the excommunications latae sententiae, simply reserved to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication is to be understood as salvis poenis, which may be incurred by those who have violated in any way the said docuмents, as propagators and defenders of heresies, when their propositions, opinions and teachings are heretical, as has happened more than once in the case of the adversaries of both these docuмents, especially when they advocate the errors of the modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies.

    Wherefore we again and most earnestly exhort the ordinaries of the dioceses and the heads of religious congregations to use the utmost vigilance over teachers, and first of all in the seminaries; and should they find any of them imbued with the errors of the modernists and eager for what is new and noxious, or lacking in docility to the prescriptions of the Apostolic See, in whatsoever way published, let them absolutely forbid the teaching office to such; so, too, let them exclude from sacred orders those young men who give the very faintest reason for doubt that they favor condemned doctrines and pernicious novelties. We exhort them also to take diligent care to put an end to those books and other writings, now growing exceedingly numerous, which contain opinions or tendencies of the kind condemned in the encyclical letters and decree above mentioned; let them see to it that these publications are removed from Catholic publishing houses, and especially from the hands of students and the clergy. By doing this they will at the same time be promoting real and solid education, which should always be a subject of the greatest solicitude for those who exercise sacred authority.

    All these things we will and order to be sanctioned and established by our apostolic authority, aught to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Given at Rome in Saint Peter's, the 18th November, 1907, the fifth year of our Pontificate.

    Pius PP. X.



    NewRome excommunicates absolutely nobody, because NewRome, and the NewChurch as a whole,  is full of excommunicates. Their "pope" is an excommunicate. Their "cardinals" are excommunicates. Their "bishops" are excommunicates. Their "priests" and "religious" are excommunicates. It is very likely that the vast majority of the NewChurch laity are excommunicates.

    I know of many NewChurch members who promote the new evangelization, theology of the body, the new sacraments, universal salvation and all the other filth that exudes from that church of Satan in disguise of the Roman Catholic Church. Quite a few, indeed, who have graduated from the Karol Wojtyła School for Heretics in Washington, D.C., otherwise known as the John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family.

    Besides, while Bergoglio talks about the problem with sodomites in the church, that's all it is, talk. Even if he appears to do something about it, he is only putting on a show. That's all it is, a show. They do it with smoke and mirrors. They do it to steal souls for Satan.

    In reality, Desmond Tutu isn't that far removed from NewChurch beliefs and practices. It's just that he's more open about it.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 09:53:19 PM »
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    Is that not grounds for excommunication?


    He is an Anglican.  It is certainly not grounds for excommunication there.  I expect it gets you knighted.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 09:54:54 PM »
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    You seem unaware that he's an Anglican Archbishop.


    Yeah, I know he's not a real Catholic. My point is even under the Newchurch's Code of Canon Law, such a belief, and obvious teaching of it, is grounds for excommunication.

    It seems the only people whom Rome demonizes, and subsequently excommunicates, are real Catholics who teach and defend the true Faith. The rhetorical "pro-life" stance and defense of real marriage is only lip service. You will know them by their fruits. They continue to give Communion to wretched pro-infanticide politicians; and they will do nothing to reprimand Tutu on his defense fαɢɢօtry.


    He is not any kind of Catholic, even a fake on.  He is an ANGLICAN.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir