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Offline John Grace

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Dello Sarto (et al) revisited
« on: May 04, 2012, 10:08:13 AM »
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  • http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9298
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    In light of all the recent evidence of the society heading towards a “marriage” with Concilliar Rome, I thought that it might be a worthwhile exercise to revisit some of the companies specific to Switzerland and Germany, that the hierarchy of the Society “own” or are directors/presidents thereof. Swiss company records give a lot more “free” information than other countries, so it is more transparent to find relevant information, without having to pay for that information as in other countries. Swiss company records are still limited insofar as they require a fee to check on shareholder information, company returns and such. Therefore in order to do detailed research of these companies one needs to outlay significant fees, and so for the moment we have to rely on the free information.

    What would be the purpose of revisiting this? Hopefully we can build up more of this puzzle. The society is possibly embarking on massive changes, and perhaps a second glance at these companies by the intelligent IA community may help with the puzzle, and maybe we can understand if motives are good or otherwise. Not implying that there is anything wrong per se, but rather let’s examine the [factual] evidence.

    There has been an obvious flurry of corporate activity especially since late 2008 by the SSPX. The most controversial one is Dello Sarto AG, a fully paid commercial company with a working capital of CHF100,000.
    See: http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/u/p/g/dello_sa...3.033.031-9.htm

    Controversial in that a lay person has been appointed with single signature authority and is a member of the Administrative board, and sole member of the Management board. Furthermore, that lay person has very close business ties to another person who represents a company that is auditor to Dello Sarto. Yes, he is the same person who appears to have gone out of his way to destroy Bishop Williamson’s reputation. The other person with single signature authority is +BF, and the other two Priests – Frs. Pfluger and Baudot require each of their respective signatures. Conjecture: The lawyer layman, it appears, is more trustworthy than the two Priests to be have been given single signatory authority.

    The stated purpose of Dello Sarto is (google translated): “Advice on asset management issues and the care and management of assets of domestic and foreign individuals, corporations, foundations and other bodies, particularly of natural and legal persons who are of Catholic morals, religion and morality in their traditional sense of obligation and see, and the execution of projects of all kinds, especially construction projects for the persons named, as well as advising on the implementation of these projects; whole purpose paraphrase statutes in accordance with”

    Then there is the German trust “Jaidhofer Private Foundation” a SSPX entity that the same lawyer as above uses/lists as his sponsor for the EMBA Global (Business School). As with many private foundations or trusts, the internal structure, beneficiaries, trustees can be made opaque to external eyes. For lack of a better word, that information is secret.

    Both Dello Sarto and Jaidhofer were set up in 2008 to begin operation in 2009.

    Another SSPX company that was curious was STPI Société Tradition Patrimoine Immobilier Sàrl. It has a fully paid up capital of CHF160,000 requiring the signatures of two of the following: +BF, and Frs. Baudot and Schmidberger. The current shareholders are: “The share capital of CHF 160'000 now consists of 160 shares of CHF 1,000, held by Bernard Fellay, Schmidberger Franz, now in Stuttgart (Germany), Alfonso Genua Galarreta and Niklaus Pfluger, Menzingen now, all four each with 40 shares of CHF 1,000 (previously every four each with a share of CHF 40,000). Emeric Baudot was elected chairman of the managers.”

    See: http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/u/p/stpi_socie...1.031.472-9.htm

    It was originally set up in 2002 with the following aim: [translated]“buying, selling, brokerage, management, promotion and enhancement of buildings, including that it can make available to the Priestly Society of St. Pius X for its activities, and any real estate, management and administration of securities of all kinds.”

    There has been a subtle change in the company’s statutes: [translated] “Statutes updated on 9 November 2010. Obligation to provide ancillary benefits, preferential rights, preemptive or emption: for details, see the articles.”

    Obviously one needs to sight the articles for explanation of these changes, but the wording appears to be consistent with providing the shareholders (or other parties) with distributions and/or other benefits. Curious that this clause was added – and again – it was after 2008/2009.

    There is also a USA connection, yet this too is limited on the information that can be found out.

    See: http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/El-Pa...c/32030676.aspx

    You can go through other US States besides Texas, and you will also see +BF, Frs. Schmidberger and Baudot as part of the organizations.

    What does this all mean? Perhaps nothing. But as I stated in the beginning, in the light of current activities, maybe this is now telling us something new?


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    Dello Sarto (et al) revisited
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 05:34:48 PM »
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  • Has Max Krah ever denied being Jєωιѕн? Has he ever been to Israel? I remember he declared himself an "unimpeachable Catholic." but Veritas1961 made reference to the example of Cardinal Lustiger, who regarded himself as Catholic and Jєωιѕн.


    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9298&view=getnewpost
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    For the purposes of accuracy, the person in question is not a Jєω, never has been a Jєω, etc. As he may be getting a lot of publicity on the internet soon, let's get that settled first! (Someone once thought his name was Jєωιѕн and the idea spread, but in fact it's not.)

    Gab,

    Why do people have such a phobia of the word "Jєω"?
    It reminds me of Clare's panic over the word "nαzι".

    What non Jєωιѕн person, in their right mind, shows-up at Tel Aviv University, surrounds himself with other Jєωs and helps them with a fundraiser?

    Funny, how he claimed he was Catholic, but didn't elaborate further on his Dresden background?

    Being the international lawyer-man that he is, in an extremely high profile position
    (having access to SSPX assets) he should come forth with some certification profiling his ethnic background, to end the discussion once and for all.

    On the other hand, if a Jєω did infiltrate the SSPX, people with common sense understand the disasterous implications. In Catholic tradition, 60 popes have warned the faithful about dealings with the Jєωs.

    He's a Jєω alright. That's why +F hasn't said a peep.
    About a year ago, I recieved an email from an SSPX Kansas insider. His "corporate line" response to my complaint about Max, was that +F has the right to seek Jєωιѕн legal and financial counsel.

    So we can rest assurred that our Sunday offering is ultimately being managed by Tel Aviv Max. He's done got himself an SSPX MBA an he's gonna make +F's money grow... some way?


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    Dello Sarto (et al) revisited
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »
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  • Soon after his ordination at 23, Father Bernard Fellay became Bursar General for Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX. It seems he continued in that capacity for 4 more years after he was consecrated bishop. He was only a priest for 6 years before he was consecrated bishop at age 29.

    I could have my dates wrong, but that's what I've read recently.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012, 05:45:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Has Max Krah ever denied being Jєωιѕн? Has he ever been to Israel? I remember he declared himself an "unimpeachable Catholic." but Veritas1961 made reference to the example of Cardinal Lustiger, who regarded himself as Catholic and Jєωιѕн.


    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9298&view=getnewpost
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    For the purposes of accuracy, the person in question is not a Jєω, never has been a Jєω, etc. As he may be getting a lot of publicity on the internet soon, let's get that settled first! (Someone once thought his name was Jєωιѕн and the idea spread, but in fact it's not.) ...


    This post certainly seems to be in the wrong thread.  :confused1:  :scratchchin:
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    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012, 05:46:16 PM »
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  • This link http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/El-Pa...c/32030676.aspx doesn't work/ is broken. It's possible to do a search but perhaps 'Freshwater' will update the url.



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    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 05:49:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    Has Max Krah ever denied being Jєωιѕн? Has he ever been to Israel? I remember he declared himself an "unimpeachable Catholic." but Veritas1961 made reference to the example of Cardinal Lustiger, who regarded himself as Catholic and Jєωιѕн.


    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9298&view=getnewpost
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    For the purposes of accuracy, the person in question is not a Jєω, never has been a Jєω, etc. As he may be getting a lot of publicity on the internet soon, let's get that settled first! (Someone once thought his name was Jєωιѕн and the idea spread, but in fact it's not.) ...


    This post certainly seems to be in the wrong thread.  :confused1:  :scratchchin:


    Indeed. It's here.
    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Maximilian-Krah-and-Menzingen-A-Cause-for-Serious-Concern

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    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 05:59:00 PM »
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  • So .......... you're making a new thread and abandoning the one that explains the context?

    Or, was it an honest mistake?

    What if someone replies on the other thread, will you answer them on this thread?
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    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 06:15:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    So .......... you're making a new thread and abandoning the one that explains the context?

    Or, was it an honest mistake?

    What if someone replies on the other thread, will you answer them on this thread?


    You are correct. The relevant threads have been updated. It's hard to believe how quickly the time has gone since that initial posting by 'William of Norwich' on Angel Queen.