Author Topic: Definition of RacismRacial Discrimination (Read 2157 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **on:** January 28, 2013, 10:04:07 PM »

Racism is a term used to identify many things. When in fact, the real meaning of the term has a much narrower scope. For example, if I were to say to people that I wanted to bring back Jim Crow laws...then the majority of the population would jump to the conclusion that I was a racist, and the the majority of the remaining population would say that my statement was racist, but I may or may not be a racist. In fact, Jim Crow laws do not have racist overtones nor do they necessarily imply racial discrimination.

Racism is when a group acts or behaves in a way that establishes a superiority of one race over other races. Just because I think that the government should always be controlled by white people does not mean that I believe white people are a superior race. Or even, just because I want to preserve my Culture by establishing Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean that I think the white race is superior. Yet, most of the time, people will claim these are racism. When they are not. They might be able to argue that it is racial discrimination however...

Racial Discrimination is when a person or group of people treat other people differently because of their race. In the case of Jim Crow laws, if Jim Crow laws were being enacted to preserve a culture then the law itself is not racist. So long as the law is applied fairly and evenly amongst all of the races then it is not racial discrimination. Yet you would find that many people would say that Jim Crow laws are both.

Why am I talking about all of this? Because I a really bored College Student at the moment, I get sick and tired of this racist deeming agenda, and I want people to open their eyes to reality. I'm sick and tired of these stupid agendas brainwashing people a certain way so that they believe everyone is a racist for everything. And somehow racism is worse than murder, abortion, stealing, prostitution, fornication, etc. WAKE UP!!! PRESERVE YOUR CULTURE!!! DON'T LET THEM DESTROY YOU!!! THEY WILL IF YOU ALLOW THEM!!!

Renzo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2013, 10:26:13 PM »

I think racism is just another form of bigotry, like sexism, anti-semitism, homophobia, islamophobia and mexaphobia. Of course bigotry means different things to different people. For example, some folks believe that anyone who thinks white people are generally smarter than black people is a bigot, while other folks believe that anyone who doesn't think white people are generally smart than black people is a bigot! So, it really all comes down to what you believe is true and what you believe is not true.

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2013, 10:48:26 PM »

There is no such thing as 'racism' or such a person as a 'racist'.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:16:00 PM »

In this age, we must avoid all forms of political correctness.
Those that are governed by political correctness has fallen
into cultural Marxism.
The issue of race should be discussed in a sane and intelligent
matter. We must avoid all name calling and judge according to
our senses without being blinded by liberalism and its
name calling false theories.

Spork · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:35:19 PM »

I don't understand why people on a Catholic forum are incessantly obsessed with this issue.

Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:40:01 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Racism is a term used to identify many things. When in fact, the real meaning of the term has a much narrower scope. For example, if I were to say to people that I wanted to bring back Jim Crow laws...then the majority of the population would jump to the conclusion that I was a racist, and the the majority of the remaining population would say that my statement was racist, but I may or may not be a racist. In fact, Jim Crow laws do not have racist overtones nor do they necessarily imply racial discrimination.

Racism is when a group acts or behaves in a way that establishes a superiority of one race over other races. Just because I think that the government should always be controlled by white people does not mean that I believe white people are a superior race. Or even, just because I want to preserve my Culture by establishing Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean that I think the white race is superior. Yet, most of the time, people will claim these are racism. When they are not. They might be able to argue that it is racial discrimination however...

Racial Discrimination is when a person or group of people treat other people differently because of their race. In the case of Jim Crow laws, if Jim Crow laws were being enacted to preserve a culture then the law itself is not racist. So long as the law is applied fairly and evenly amongst all of the races then it is not racial discrimination. Yet you would find that many people would say that Jim Crow laws are both.

Why am I talking about all of this? Because I a really bored College Student at the moment, I get sick and tired of this racist deeming agenda, and I want people to open their eyes to reality. I'm sick and tired of these stupid agendas brainwashing people a certain way so that they believe everyone is a racist for everything. And somehow racism is worse than murder, abortion, stealing, prostitution, fornication, etc. WAKE UP!!! PRESERVE YOUR CULTURE!!! DON'T LET THEM DESTROY YOU!!! THEY WILL IF YOU ALLOW THEM!!!

This is simply nonsense. The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2013, 10:26:26 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Racism is a term used to identify many things. When in fact, the real meaning of the term has a much narrower scope. For example, if I were to say to people that I wanted to bring back Jim Crow laws...then the majority of the population would jump to the conclusion that I was a racist, and the the majority of the remaining population would say that my statement was racist, but I may or may not be a racist. In fact, Jim Crow laws do not have racist overtones nor do they necessarily imply racial discrimination.

Racism is when a group acts or behaves in a way that establishes a superiority of one race over other races. Just because I think that the government should always be controlled by white people does not mean that I believe white people are a superior race. Or even, just because I want to preserve my Culture by establishing Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean that I think the white race is superior. Yet, most of the time, people will claim these are racism. When they are not. They might be able to argue that it is racial discrimination however...

Racial Discrimination is when a person or group of people treat other people differently because of their race. In the case of Jim Crow laws, if Jim Crow laws were being enacted to preserve a culture then the law itself is not racist. So long as the law is applied fairly and evenly amongst all of the races then it is not racial discrimination. Yet you would find that many people would say that Jim Crow laws are both.

Why am I talking about all of this? Because I a really bored College Student at the moment, I get sick and tired of this racist deeming agenda, and I want people to open their eyes to reality. I'm sick and tired of these stupid agendas brainwashing people a certain way so that they believe everyone is a racist for everything. And somehow racism is worse than murder, abortion, stealing, prostitution, fornication, etc. WAKE UP!!! PRESERVE YOUR CULTURE!!! DON'T LET THEM DESTROY YOU!!! THEY WILL IF YOU ALLOW THEM!!!

This is simply nonsense. The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

Racism and Jim Crow laws are completely separate issues. Ask yourself this, is it possible to have a system, with Jim Crow laws, and zero racism? Yes. Jim Crow laws do not promote racism nor do they cause people to be racist. People who hold extreme racist views promote racism. Racism exists whether Jim Crow laws exist or not.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2013, 10:27:19 PM »

Quote from: Spork

I don't understand why people on a Catholic forum are incessantly obsessed with this issue.

Its an interesting subject. Plus these issues do matter whether some people realize that or not.

Renzo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:15:47 PM »

Quote from: Spork

I don't understand why people on a Catholic forum are incessantly obsessed with this issue.

Well, look at the websites that promote talk about race and you'll often see an anti-catholic attitude, dominated by Darwinian thinking. So, I think there's a need to bring good catholic morality and this kind of talk together, in the same place.

Renzo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:27:40 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

That kind of thinking seems to have come out of Critical Theory, a school of thought advanced by The Frankfurt School (a bunch of communist and mostly Jєωιѕн intellectuals who left nαzι germany and set up shop in new york, with support from the highest levels of government and academia here in the united states). They are credited with bringing about the intellectual basis for the cultural revolution in The West, most infamously characterized by the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, but also responsible for the widely held belief that Catholicism was at its heart a racist, sexist, homophobic and anti-semitic religion, that spawned fascism and hence, should be dealt with as harshly and decisively as nαzι germany had been dealt with.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2013, 08:17:42 PM »

This guy makes some good points...

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120424135449AA2K65d

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2013, 09:12:25 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Racism is a term used to identify many things. When in fact, the real meaning of the term has a much narrower scope. For example, if I were to say to people that I wanted to bring back Jim Crow laws...then the majority of the population would jump to the conclusion that I was a racist, and the the majority of the remaining population would say that my statement was racist, but I may or may not be a racist. In fact, Jim Crow laws do not have racist overtones nor do they necessarily imply racial discrimination.

Racism is when a group acts or behaves in a way that establishes a superiority of one race over other races. Just because I think that the government should always be controlled by white people does not mean that I believe white people are a superior race. Or even, just because I want to preserve my Culture by establishing Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean that I think the white race is superior. Yet, most of the time, people will claim these are racism. When they are not. They might be able to argue that it is racial discrimination however...

Racial Discrimination is when a person or group of people treat other people differently because of their race. In the case of Jim Crow laws, if Jim Crow laws were being enacted to preserve a culture then the law itself is not racist. So long as the law is applied fairly and evenly amongst all of the races then it is not racial discrimination. Yet you would find that many people would say that Jim Crow laws are both.

Why am I talking about all of this? Because I a really bored College Student at the moment, I get sick and tired of this racist deeming agenda, and I want people to open their eyes to reality. I'm sick and tired of these stupid agendas brainwashing people a certain way so that they believe everyone is a racist for everything. And somehow racism is worse than murder, abortion, stealing, prostitution, fornication, etc. WAKE UP!!! PRESERVE YOUR CULTURE!!! DON'T LET THEM DESTROY YOU!!! THEY WILL IF YOU ALLOW THEM!!!

This is simply nonsense. The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

Racism and Jim Crow laws are completely separate issues. Ask yourself this, is it possible to have a system, with Jim Crow laws, and zero racism? Yes. Jim Crow laws do not promote racism nor do they cause people to be racist. People who hold extreme racist views promote racism. Racism exists whether Jim Crow laws exist or not.

Okay, I will ask myself.

The answer is clearly no, it is not possible to have Jim Crow laws in place in a society concurrent with "zero racism". Maybe you could explain how you don't see the discrimination inherent in such laws as racist. i am afraid that is lost on me. Thanks.

Sigismund · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2013, 09:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Renzo

Quote from: Sigismund
The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

That kind of thinking seems to have come out of Critical Theory, a school of thought advanced by The Frankfurt School (a bunch of communist and mostly Jєωιѕн intellectuals who left nαzι germany and set up shop in new york, with support from the highest levels of government and academia here in the united states). They are credited with bringing about the intellectual basis for the cultural revolution in The West, most infamously characterized by the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, but also responsible for the widely held belief that Catholicism was at its heart a racist, sexist, homophobic and anti-semitic religion, that spawned fascism and hence, should be dealt with as harshly and decisively as nαzι germany had been dealt with.

Okay, then please explain to me how the society protected and advanced by Jim Crow laws is reconcilable with Catholicism.

Spork · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2013, 09:13:49 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Quote from: Spork
I don't understand why people on a Catholic forum are incessantly obsessed with this issue.

Its an interesting subject. Plus these issues do matter whether some people realize that or not.

Of course they matter. I don't have my head in the sand. But this is a Catholic forum and I rarely, if ever, see requests for prayers for justice in these matters. Mostly fist pounding and anger.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2013, 09:28:05 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: InfiniteFaith
Racism is a term used to identify many things. When in fact, the real meaning of the term has a much narrower scope. For example, if I were to say to people that I wanted to bring back Jim Crow laws...then the majority of the population would jump to the conclusion that I was a racist, and the the majority of the remaining population would say that my statement was racist, but I may or may not be a racist. In fact, Jim Crow laws do not have racist overtones nor do they necessarily imply racial discrimination.

Racism is when a group acts or behaves in a way that establishes a superiority of one race over other races. Just because I think that the government should always be controlled by white people does not mean that I believe white people are a superior race. Or even, just because I want to preserve my Culture by establishing Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean that I think the white race is superior. Yet, most of the time, people will claim these are racism. When they are not. They might be able to argue that it is racial discrimination however...

Racial Discrimination is when a person or group of people treat other people differently because of their race. In the case of Jim Crow laws, if Jim Crow laws were being enacted to preserve a culture then the law itself is not racist. So long as the law is applied fairly and evenly amongst all of the races then it is not racial discrimination. Yet you would find that many people would say that Jim Crow laws are both.

Why am I talking about all of this? Because I a really bored College Student at the moment, I get sick and tired of this racist deeming agenda, and I want people to open their eyes to reality. I'm sick and tired of these stupid agendas brainwashing people a certain way so that they believe everyone is a racist for everything. And somehow racism is worse than murder, abortion, stealing, prostitution, fornication, etc. WAKE UP!!! PRESERVE YOUR CULTURE!!! DON'T LET THEM DESTROY YOU!!! THEY WILL IF YOU ALLOW THEM!!!

This is simply nonsense. The Jim Crow laws enshrined treating people differently becasue of race, There were intended to defend a culture, as you say, but it was a thoroughly racist culture dedicated to maintaining and protecting white privilege. How is this even debatable?

Racism and Jim Crow laws are completely separate issues. Ask yourself this, is it possible to have a system, with Jim Crow laws, and zero racism? Yes. Jim Crow laws do not promote racism nor do they cause people to be racist. People who hold extreme racist views promote racism. Racism exists whether Jim Crow laws exist or not.

Okay, I will ask myself.

The answer is clearly no, it is not possible to have Jim Crow laws in place in a society concurrent with "zero racism". Maybe you could explain how you don't see the discrimination inherent in such laws as racist. i am afraid that is lost on me. Thanks.

Yes it is possible to have a society with Jim Crow laws and zero racism. Let me explain why...

1) I am a person who does not believe that white people are superior to any other race. Racism is when you believe your race is superior to other races.
2) I believe that we should have Jim Crow Laws
3) Just because someone believes that a country should have Jim Crow laws does not necessarily mean he/she is a racist.
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Conclusion: because we have proven that there is a single individual who is not racist, but agrees with Jim Crow Laws...it must be possible to have a society (a group of people) that acts/believes the same way.