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Offline d15

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« on: July 22, 2013, 07:44:25 AM »
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  • Are children, who have been baptized, that die before the age of reason considered to be "automatically" in Heaven?  After all, they have been cleansed of Original Sin, and because they have not reached the age of reason, they are incapable of committing personal sin.  Could they be considered saints?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 08:09:42 AM »
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  • St. Theresa said, they "steal" heaven, meaning they have heaven without ever having exercised their freewill, in other words they have not actually earned it.  Yes, everyone in heaven is a saint.  

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    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 08:39:47 AM »
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  • Yes they are. Catherine Emmerich said that their intercession is very powerful with God.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 09:12:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: d15
    Are children, who have been baptized, that die before the age of reason considered to be "automatically" in Heaven?  After all, they have been cleansed of Original Sin, and because they have not reached the age of reason, they are incapable of committing personal sin.  Could they be considered saints?


    They are saints and automatically in Heaven.  We pray to two such saints after all "Grace before meals".  Saint Edward Acosta ora pro nobis.  Saint Winifred O'Donnell, ora pro nobis.

    They were way under the age of reason and baptized when they died.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 05:25:28 PM »
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  •  :baby: :pray:Add to that St. Patrick Ryan Fagan
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #5 on: July 22, 2013, 05:27:24 PM »
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  • I have a cousin in heaven. His name is Michael. He died the day he was born after being baptized.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2013, 06:44:25 PM »
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  • St. Michael, St. Patrick Ryan Fagan, St. Edward Acosta, St. Winifred O'Donnel, pray for us.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2013, 08:39:47 PM »
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  • My little sister Kathleen Marie is in Heaven.  She was Baptized and died when she was three weeks old.

    Saint Kathleen Marie, ora pro nobis.
    Mariae Nunquam Servus Peribit


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    « Reply #8 on: July 24, 2013, 08:17:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Yes they are. Catherine Emmerich said that their intercession is very powerful with God.


    Can you quote her, and/or provide the source & chapter for this?
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    « Reply #9 on: July 24, 2013, 11:32:43 PM »
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    St. Thérèse of Lisieux had 4 siblings who died in infancy,
    and she was taught by her priests that they were certainly
    saints in heaven because they had been baptized.  Their
    names are in Story of A Soul, her quasi-autobiography,
    but this aspect is not thoroughly explained there due to
    the fact that she did not write that "book" with the intention
    of it becoming a best-selling publication worldwide a few
    years after her too-young death (24 yrs.) and many more
    years before she was canonized a saint only 28 years
    after her death, but it is thoroughly explained in the most
    excellent preparatory work, "The Little Flower" by the
    eminent Irish lady author, Mary Fabyan Windeatt, God bless
    her soul!

    She had a special name for them, but I don't recall what it
    was. She used to pray to them by name, and encouraged
    the rest of her family to do likewise.  Some commentators
    say it's possible that those 4 babies are the secret to the
    Little Flower's great intuition regarding simple holiness.  

    Therefore, this applies to any such baptized child who dies
    in infancy, or, that is, before the age of reason, which is
    generally thought to be 5 or 6, however, some children
    younger than that have demonstrated a great ability to
    reason.  One of them was St. Alphonse de Liguori, if I'm
    not mistaken, or maybe another saint living around that
    time period, who at 4 years of age refused to eat his
    dinner with the family and ran away to his room, when a
    visiting guest had started eating before grace before meals
    was prayed, and had made a joke about it.  His mother
    followed him and attempted to console him and encouraged
    him to return to the table, but he steadfastly refused to
    "eat with a heretic."  Imagine that, at 4 years of age!  

    I wonder how many adults could do such a thing.  

    Another one was Ven. Anne de Guigné, whose canonization
    is oddly delayed (there must be something 'inconvenient'
    for the agenda of Newchurch in her story), who immediately
    grasped most obscure concepts in theology, and never
    needed to be told twice about questions of morality.  Once
    she understood that something was forbidden by God,
    she would absolutely devote ALL of her energy to avoiding
    it, and when she became aware that something was God's
    will, she immediately devoted ALL of her effort to obeying
    it. Before she was 5 she wanted to receive Holy Communion,
    and the local diocese assigned a certain qualified priest to
    the task of interrogating her.  After some 15 minutes of her
    non-stop correct answers on the basics of the Faith, he tried
    to slip in a 'curve ball' with this question:  

    He had been asking her about man's obedience to God,
    and the perfection of Our Lord's obedience, even unto
    death on the Cross (remember, at 5 years old).  Then
    he suddenly asked her, "Is God ever obedient to man?"
    Without a moment's pause, little Anne replied, that of
    course He is, every time the priest consecrates the host
    at Mass, God obeys man!  At that point, the priest gave
    up, saying that if there is any shortcoming in this little
    girl's readiness to receive the Blessed Sacrament, it is
    far beyond his ability to discover what it is.  

    Anne died when she was only 11, in 1922, after having
    been receiving Communion for 6 years.  She had most
    likely never so much as heard about the apparitions at
    Fatima, which had occurred in Portugal, only a few hundred
    miles from her home in France.  In subsequent years,
    investigators, one after another, came away from the case
    saying that she appeared to have been given spiritual insights
    directly from God, for she had consistently known answers
    to difficult theological questions about which no one in this
    world had ever spoken to her.  That is the only way, they
    say, such answers as the one about God obeying man, could
    have been something that she had previously thought about,
    for her immediate answer belies her pre-existing thought on
    the matter, for the Holy Ghost must have given her some
    preparation for that question, as well as others, something
    like how St. Joseph of Cupertino was utterly unable to
    memorize any of Scripture, and had been terrified of his
    examination, when he would be asked to do his best repeating
    a particular passage by memory, but they would not tell him
    in advance even so much as which book of the Bible would
    be used.  But there was only one exception, one chapter of
    one book that he was able to remember, and it is known
    what that was, if you look it up.  So he went to his
    examination, putting all his faith in God that he would be able
    to satisfy his interrogators.  When it came to that part, the
    young Joseph was incredulous when they asked him to
    repeat the first few verses of that one chapter that he had
    indeed memorized.  Since he was in such shock, the
    examiners started to make bad marks on their score sheets,
    to the effect that he had failed, but then, after recovering
    from his shock, he began to recite it, slowly at first, and then
    faster, and when the examiners had heard enough, and asked
    him to stop, he was so excited that he was in the middle of
    a most dramatic proclamation of the Gospel that his
    countenance shown a bright glow and his words ran on with
    hardly a breath, and his voice got louder and he went into a
    kind of ecstasy that alarmed the examiners.  

    Suddenly he was relieved, and calmed down, not by any mere
    human cause, for he was quite out of himself at the time, but
    by the intercession of the Holy Ghost, in order not to upset
    the examiners.  Joseph could later hardly recall what had
    happened, and we only know it did because the examiners
    explained it in detail.  Later in life, he would become 'prone'
    (pun intended!) to levitation during his consecration of the
    Eucharist at Mass, and not by any small means.  He would
    drift up into the rafters of the church, and sometimes would
    move about over the entire congregation, seemingly unaware
    of the fact that it was going on.  In fact, it was phenomena
    such as this in which the tradition is rooted whereby the altar
    servers in the CTLM, behind the priest, hold up the hem of his
    cassock when he elevates the host and the chalice.  His long
    and well-established history of astounding "flights" at the
    consecration hundreds of years before the "Wright Brothers
    were right," would become the cause of his being named the
    patron saint of aviators, because,

    St. Joseph of Cupertino is the patron saint of 'THOSE WHO FLY.'



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    « Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 11:34:07 AM »
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  • And thus how great is the feast of All Saints, for all the holy souls in principio, nunc et semper.

    Also good to keep in mind as to why the gates of Hell shall never prevail against the Church....

    a) The Church Triumphant

    b) The Church Suffering (on its way to Church Triumphant)

    Christ has won for us the imperishable crown.  We are thus to strive for it.

    As for the souls remaining here on earth, the Church Militant, the numbers are not so great methinks. Too many have freely slid into the "Church Milquetoast."


    Lastly but truly foremost, Our Blessed Mother, who is both Mother of the Church and truly Mother Church. Hell prevailing against Our Mother? I do not think so!
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster