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"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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Re: Death of a world class pornographer
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 09:49:20 PM »
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  • Whether or not he knew what he was doing here, he will have a really good idea now, for all of eternity for what he has done!


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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 02:42:13 PM »
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  • Catholic doctrine informs us that just one act of knowing and willful self-abuse is enough to send a soul to hell for all eternity.  One can only imagine how many such mortal sins -- of just this category alone, not to mention other mortally sinful sɛҳuąƖ and even non sɛҳuąƖly related acts --  were and will be committed as either a direct or indirect result of Hefner "contribution" to humanity.

    Those who knowingly and willfully contribute to the murder of souls would seem to have a far more dreadful reckoning than even those who kill the body alone.

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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 02:46:08 PM »
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  • "... class..." Hmm...
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 04:21:48 PM »
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  • Catholic doctrine informs us that just one act of knowing and willful self-abuse is enough to send a soul to hell for all eternity.  One can only imagine how many such mortal sins -- of just this category alone, not to mention other mortally sinful sɛҳuąƖ and even non sɛҳuąƖly related acts --  were and will be committed as either a direct or indirect result of Hefner "contribution" to humanity.

    Those who knowingly and willfully contribute to the murder of souls would seem to have a far more dreadful reckoning than even those who kill the body alone.
    Now that is some Catholic thinking.

    There is nothing more terrible than to be abandoned by God to one's sins -- that is to say, for God to leave you alone in your sins, and NOT have all kinds of bad things happen to you that you might repent.

    God is not mocked. He is infinitely merciful AND infinitely just. In other words, if anybody is "nobody's fool" it's God.


    I have my reservations about the title of the OP's article, however. We shouldn't relish the death of the sinner. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The wrath of God is something to inspire fear and reverence.

    I believe it's OK to rejoice that God's justice is done, and rejoice in the potential benefit to souls a pornographer's death represents. But not specifically to wish for misery and pain for a fellow human being. That would seem to be against the virtue of charity.
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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 07:27:30 PM »
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  • Now that is some Catholic thinking.

    There is nothing more terrible than to be abandoned by God to one's sins -- that is to say, for God to leave you alone in your sins, and NOT have all kinds of bad things happen to you that you might repent.

    God is not mocked. He is infinitely merciful AND infinitely just. In other words, if anybody is "nobody's fool" it's God.


    I have my reservations about the title of the OP's article, however. We shouldn't relish the death of the sinner. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. The wrath of God is something to inspire fear and reverence.

    I believe it's OK to rejoice that God's justice is done, and rejoice in the potential benefit to souls a pornographer's death represents. But not specifically to wish for misery and pain for a fellow human being. That would seem to be against the virtue of charity.
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    The popular reaction to Hefner's death makes me think that as a nation and as this modern world we are being tested by God, and punished at the same time. The vast majority it seems have no idea that Hefner's contribution to our world was to drag it down into amorality. 
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    Like you say, there is nothing more terrible than to be abandoned by God to one's sins. But it would seem that is exactly what has happened in our time, that so many people today think there was nothing strictly sinful about Hefner's "lifestyle." The commentators I heard could only marvel at the profusion of luxury in the parties he threw over the years at his mansion (same place where he died).  And in quoting his words they show how over the years he was consistent in his pride for helping America extinguish its outdated puritanism, because he believed that our time on earth is very short and we ought to be able to fill our short time with all the pleasures we possibly can. He was a hedonist, and proud of it.
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    It seems to me that far too many Americans see nothing wrong with Hefner's way of living, in fact, many admire it as a great accomplishment, and in order for anyone to think that way, one would have to have been abandoned by God to one's sins.
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    Being so abandoned, one becomes blind to the consequences, and as a blind man leading the blind, together Hefner and his admirers fall headlong into the infernal pit of hell for all eternity.
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    As you say, it's not charitable for us to wish his eternal demise, but at the same time we need to be able to pronounce meet revulsion of his way of living. We should be able to quickly and simply put into revelatory words why his life is a scourge on America and a dangerous and terrible example of how to live this short life.
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    We must be ready and able to tell anyone what it was about Hefner's life that was bad, putrid, revolting, degenerate, evil, corrupt, amoral, perverted, scandalizing, sinful, proud, contemptuous of true virtue, mockingly disrespectful of everything holy, demonic, and so on.
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    We should have our responses categorized according to the retorts we will no doubt receive.
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    I told a traditional Catholic friend that there is nothing to celebrate about his life and that he was certainly no "icon" as the media has claimed, and I was shocked to hear the response, that Hefner was a part of our growing up, and we should remember him for how he affected our early years.
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    Anyone who can hold fond memories of how this pornographer affected children growing up in the 50's and later is someone who no doubt still has a problem with pornography.
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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 10:24:00 PM »
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  • Being buried next to Marilyn Monroe... is so appropriate for him.

               
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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2017, 06:27:35 AM »
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  • This OP was not intended to rejoice at the demise of a sinner.

    Rather, to be an analysis of an epic failure of American "Christian" society to protect itself.

    Why didn't we realize who Hefner was and his deadly mission?

    He was far more than the slimy grandfather of girlie magazines.

    He was the "spearhead" of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic porno movement to overthrow Christian morality.

    And his religion, and lack of repentance do matter.  Consider the billions of souls he impacted?

    Friday, January 25, 2013

                             A look at the background of a supposed 'Protestant Cultural Icon'











    Is Hugh Hefner A Crypto?






    Is This the Face Of An αѕнкenαzι?


























    Poppa 'Hef ' With His Daughter Christine
















    Christie Hefner And Her Husband







    Actually It's Mr. And Mrs. Abe Marovitz












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    What Does It Matter Anyway

    Playboy magazine was the biggest breakthrough in legalizing porn in the twentieth century. Ten years after Hefner made it PC (politically Correct) to sell his culturally advanced/nudie magazine, the floodgates opened to wholesale acceptance of porn in America.

    But this was 1950. The days of Eisenhower, Ozzie and Harriet, Leave it to Beaver. How would it look if a Jєωιѕн man was behind playboy. That's why Hefner was portrayed as a Protestant.










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    Hefner Is Born In 1926

    As with John Kerry, Madeline Albright, and Wesley Clark, Hefner was portrayed as a strict Christian. His father was a Protestant, and worked as an accountant.














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    Momma Got Her Baby Stateside

    Hefner's army career was as a stateside cartoonist.












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    Hefner Thought He Was Another Kinsey

    He wasn't some dirt bag Krakow Zionist peddling nudies. No, he was 'Hef', spreading his philosophy, and a psychological sɛҳuąƖ revolution. Dare I say it, he was like and unto being a 1950's Sigmund Freud.


    Oh, How Our Worlds Changed

    Instead of seeing calendars of high school girls in their boyfriend's letterman sweater, 'Hef' gave us Marilyn Monroe, standing over an air vent with her skirt up to her chest.

    Women were no longer thought of as partners. Now they were sex objects, and oddly the Jєωιѕн feminists, like Gloria Steinem, kept silent.












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    Forever Conscious Of His Ethnicity

    'Hef' falls in love with a Sarah Kline, but before the romance can become public, he has her change her name to Barbi Benton. After the name change, he spends eight years with her.















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    The Aging Swinger Turned Into A Political Activist

    He joins other Zionists in all their causes, and is honored by the ADL.















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    Hef Turns Eighty

    Still slithering around the Playboy mansion. How about that lucky 22 year-old girl, getting a kiss from a legend??















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    Coming Out Of The Closet

    A&E slips in that Hef is Jєωιѕн, and in his Wikipedia biography, it is also mentioned.















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    Christie Hefner

    She attended New Trier high school, and was an English major at Brandeis University. In her junior year she was elected to Phi Beta Kappa.

    On a list of a thousand schools, these are the last places a super wealthy protestant attends. Brandeis' student body is 90% Jєωιѕн.












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    A Princess Doesn't Marry Inter-Racially

    When Playboy magazine was at it's peak, Hefner's daughter Christie was a 23 year-old beauty queen. She was the toast of Chicago, and could have had any young socialite she wanted.

    Oddly the multi-millionaire heiress decides to married a 'First generation Ukrainian Zionist' named Marovitz. Son of Judge Marovitz.














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    With Age, Comes The αѕнкenαzιm/Oriental Eyelid

    Like Joan Rivers, 'Babs' Striesand, Rosanne Barr, and even Laura Bush, Christie is blooming.
















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    Why Does It Matter?

    The more you can identify, the easier the puzzle becomes. When you analyze World War Two, the shocker lies in the bloodlines of Churchill, Stalin, Eisenhower, and Roosevelt. The internet gives you the ability to research things from viewpoint of cause, effect, and relationship.

    Whether it's a business phenomena like Bill Gates, or that docuмentary clown Michael Moore, or Zionists like Rumsfelds, Tommy Franks, and Peℓσѕι, knowing the ethnicity makes events easier to understand. Why does a Gates get away with almost total control of software, or how female Marines wind up on Baghdad checkpoints?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2017, 10:03:24 AM »
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  • I told a traditional Catholic friend that there is nothing to celebrate about his life and that he was certainly no "icon" as the media has claimed, and I was shocked to hear the response, that Hefner was a part of our growing up, and we should remember him for how he affected our early years.




    The Sermons of St. Alphonsus ON IMPURITY

    St. Remigius writes that, if children be excepted, the number of adults that are saved is few, on account of the sins of the flesh. In
    conformity with this doctrine, it was revealed to a holy soul, that as pride has filled hell with devils, so impurity fills it with men. St. Isidore assigns the reason. He says that there is no vice which so much enslaves men to
    the devil as impurity. Hence, St. Augustine says, that with regard to this sin,”the combat is common and the victory rare." Hence it is that on account of this sin hell is filled with souls. These are two great remedies prayer, and the flight of dangerous occasions. Prayer, says St. Gregory of Nyssa, is the safeguard of chastity. And before him, Solomon, speaking of himself, said the same. "And as I knew that I could not otherwise be continent, except God gave it... I went to the Lord, and besought him." (Wis. viii. 21.) Thus, it is impossible for us to conquer this vice without God’s assistance. Hence, as soon as temptation against chastity presents itself, the remedy is, to turn instantly to God for help, and to repeat several times the most holy names of Jesus and Mary, which have a
    special virtue to banish bad thoughts of that kind. I have said immediately, without listening to, or beginning to argue with the
    temptation. When a bad thought occurs to the mind, it is necessary to shake it off instantly, as you would a spark that flies from the fire, and instantly to invoke aid from Jesus and Mary. As to the flight of dangerous
    occasions, St. Philip Neri used to say that cowards that is, they who fly from the occasions gain the victory. Hence you must, in the first place, keep a restraint on the eyes, and must abstain from looking at young
    females. Otherwise, says St. Thomas, you can scarcely avoid the sin. Hence Job said: ”I made a covenant with my eyes, that I would not so much as think upon a virgin" (xxxi. 1). He was afraid to look at a virgin; because
    from looks it is easy to pass to desires, and from desires to acts. St. Francis de Sales used to say, that to look at a woman does not do so much evil as to look at her a second time. If the devil has not gained a victory the first,
    he will gain the second time. And if it be necessary to abstain from looking at females, it is much more necessary to avoid conversation with them.  "Tarry not among women." (Eccl. xlii. 12.) We should be persuaded that, in avoiding occasions of this sin, no caution can be too great. Hence we must be always fearful, and fly from them. ”A wise man feareth and declineth from evil; a fool is confident." (Prov. xiv. 16.) A wise man is timid, and flies away; a fool is confident, and falls.

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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2017, 05:19:08 PM »
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    Thank you, St Ignatius.
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    Did anyone notice the Prayer (Collect) for today's Mass, 17th Sunday after Pentecost? This has been the same prayer for 1700 years (or more?) but here it is, the Sunday after Hefner died. Interesting.
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    The Latin goes like this:  Da, quaesumus, Dómine, pópulo tuo diabólica vitáre contágia: et te solum Deum pura mente sectári. 
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    English translation from Fr. Lasance Missal:  Grant Thy people, we beseech Thee, O Lord, to shun the defilements of the devil, and with pure hearts to follow Thee, the only God.
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    As Incredulous spells out above, this thread was meant "to be an analysis of an epic failure of American "Christian" society to protect itself."  Nowhere has our American "Christian" society been such an abysmal failure as it shows itself to be in reaction to this man's death. The media, even so-called Christians, are praising him practically like he's being canonized. Maybe you can trace that in part to Francis' dealing with the Great Ecuмenist JPII.
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    At Mass we pray God will grant His people to shun the defilements of the devil, while American spokesmen are doing precisely the opposite the past few days. They've been practically bowing down and worshiping the false god of devil defilement glorification. There's a dragon in the Apocalypse that vomits a foul flood over the earth, but it doesn't mention that the world is oblivious to how vile and noxious the flood is.
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    The effect of this man's life is borne out in how little the world can recognize that his obstinacy in sin was what he celebrated to the very end. He saw it as his great accomplishment that he helped America overcome outmoded sɛҳuąƖ norms. One report said that in looking over his past life he couldn't imagine anyone living a life any sweeter than this one has been for him. Another reported him saying that he never met his soul mate. Does that sound like someone who is close to repentance? 
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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 08:02:45 PM »
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    Thank you, St Ignatius.
    .
    Did anyone notice the Prayer (Collect) for today's Mass, 17th Sunday after Pentecost? This has been the same prayer for 1700 years (or more?) but here it is, the Sunday after Hefner died. Interesting.
    .
    The Latin goes like this:  Da, quaesumus, Dómine, pópulo tuo diabólica vitáre contágia: et te solum Deum pura mente sectári.
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    English translation from Fr. Lasance Missal:  Grant Thy people, we beseech Thee, O Lord, to shun the defilements of the devil, and with pure hearts to follow Thee, the only God.
    .
    As Incredulous spells out above, this thread was meant "to be an analysis of an epic failure of American "Christian" society to protect itself."  Nowhere has our American "Christian" society been such an abysmal failure as it shows itself to be in reaction to this man's death. The media, even so-called Christians, are praising him practically like he's being canonized. Maybe you can trace that in part to Francis' dealing with the Great Ecuмenist JPII.
    .
    At Mass we pray God will grant His people to shun the defilements of the devil, while American spokesmen are doing precisely the opposite the past few days. They've been practically bowing down and worshiping the false god of devil defilement glorification. There's a dragon in the Apocalypse that vomits a foul flood over the earth, but it doesn't mention that the world is oblivious to how vile and noxious the flood is.
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    The effect of this man's life is borne out in how little the world can recognize that his obstinacy in sin was what he celebrated to the very end. He saw it as his great accomplishment that he helped America overcome outmoded sɛҳuąƖ norms. One report said that in looking over his past life he couldn't imagine anyone living a life any sweeter than this one has been for him. Another reported him saying that he never met his soul mate. Does that sound like someone who is close to repentance?
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    Yes, this was very providential.
    With God, there are no coincidences.

    And with 500 posts, I am now a FULL MEMBER.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 02:12:42 PM »
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  • He was the "spearhead" of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic porno movement to overthrow Christian morality.
    Why does everything have to be reduced to a Jєωιѕн conspiracy? When you boil it down, the essence of your argument is that we'd all be perfect Catholics if it weren't for those pesky Jєωs tempting us into sin and depravity.  I just don't buy it. I for one am enough of a man to own my own sins. I don't need to blame them on some shadowy group that's out to take me down and 'overthrow Christian morality.' And, just as I do that, it is also up to me to find my own way back to God, through repentance, confession, penance and, ultimately, forgiveness. 
    Maybe I've got the wrong approach, but I prefer not to point out the sins of others. I have enough to do making sure that I keep myself on the right path without rejoicing in the downfall of others, particularly when it is someone that I was never likely to meet or be able to influence. 
    Also, none of us know what 'Heff's' relationship with God was like, up to and during the final moments of his life. How do we know that he didn't repent and seek & find forgiveness? Anything, absolutely anything, is possible with God.
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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
    « Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 02:36:19 PM »
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  • Why does everything have to be reduced to a Jєωιѕн conspiracy? When you boil it down, the essence of your argument is that we'd all be perfect Catholics if it weren't for those pesky Jєωs tempting us into sin and depravity.  I just don't buy it. I for one am enough of a man to own my own sins. I don't need to blame them on some shadowy group that's out to take me down and 'overthrow Christian morality.' And, just as I do that, it is also up to me to find my own way back to God, through repentance, confession, penance and, ultimately, forgiveness.
    Maybe I've got the wrong approach, but I prefer not to point out the sins of others. I have enough to do making sure that I keep myself on the right path without rejoicing in the downfall of others, particularly when it is someone that I was never likely to meet or be able to influence.
    Also, none of us know what 'Heff's' relationship with God was like, up to and during the final moments of his life. How do we know that he didn't repent and seek & find forgiveness? Anything, absolutely anything, is possible with God.
    What's next? Jєωs aren't guilty of deicide either?

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    « Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 05:19:25 PM »
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  • Why does everything have to be reduced to a Jєωιѕн conspiracy?

    > Oh WHY does EVERYone have to lament like Noel Coward in a bra? "Alas, and woe, all is lost!"

     When you boil it down, the essence of your argument

    > What argument is that man?

    is that we'd all be perfect Catholics if it weren't for those pesky Jєωs tempting us into sin and depravity.

    > That is stupid. Let's see it.

     I just don't buy it.

    > Seems like you made it, and you still have it, so how could you? Who would you pay?

    I for one am enough of a man

    > D-cup? Hard to tell via text.

    to own my own sins. I don't need to blame them

    > As opposed to ...? Name/s pls.

     on some shadowy group

    > I don't need to blame my tan on some shadowy sun.

     that's out to take me down and 'overthrow Christian morality.'

    > Have you actually seriously inquired into the allegations?

    And, just as I do that, it is also up to me to find my own way back to God, through repentance, confession, penance and, ultimately, forgiveness.

    > Right, and if there is anything good to be taken away from the lactation doc/prof/don whatever, it is that it is very easy to examen others, and not so much ourselves esp. if you add even a pinch of malice.

    Maybe I've got the wrong approach, but I prefer not to point out the sins of others.

    > What are you doing in this instance then? What's the problem? Guess we'll all have a Coke then.

    I have enough to do making sure that I keep myself on the right path without rejoicing in the downfall of others,

    > Is it just possible that it could be a celebration, like a little VE day? We pray to be delivered, then we're delivered, then we're relieved, and then you shake the Globe with Fakespeare. 

    particularly when it is someone that I was never likely to meet or be able to influence.

    > You're missing the general point I think.

    Also, none of us know what 'Heff's' relationship with God was like,

    > Nor do we have to; the Church, and so we, don't JUDGE EXTERNALS (hint hint) and so in the practical order any, including "The Hef" are PRESUMED TO HAVE DIED AS THEY LIVED. What would things be like were things otherwise? You don't have to guess, just look. You could start with you and this permissive, soul killing, stand for nothing, fall for anything rubbing. You will stand AGAINST something though, I'm starting to notice.

     up to and during the final moments of his life. How do we know that he didn't repent and seek & find forgiveness?

    > Perhaps a refresher in Epistemology, the grades of certitude are in order. 

    Anything, absolutely anything, is possible with God.

    > Then "maybe" He though it would be funny to lie to us, whilst making round triangles.

    > What the pet sin man? What is it that's really rubbing your rhubarb here? I don't "buy" your "reasoning", mostly because I don't see any.

    > Maybe we're all jacked up and far worse than you say, (how do you KNOW about us BTW?) but how's that "we can/mustn't" judge thing working out?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Death of a world class pornographer
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  • Why does everything have to be reduced to a Jєωιѕн conspiracy? When you boil it down, the essence of your argument is that we'd all be perfect Catholics if it weren't for those pesky Jєωs tempting us into sin and depravity.  I just don't buy it. I for one am enough of a man to own my own sins. I don't need to blame them on some shadowy group that's out to take me down and 'overthrow Christian morality.' And, just as I do that, it is also up to me to find my own way back to God, through repentance, confession, penance and, ultimately, forgiveness.
    Maybe I've got the wrong approach, but I prefer not to point out the sins of others. I have enough to do making sure that I keep myself on the right path without rejoicing in the downfall of others, particularly when it is someone that I was never likely to meet or be able to influence.
    Also, none of us know what 'Heff's' relationship with God was like, up to and during the final moments of his life. How do we know that he didn't repent and seek & find forgiveness? Anything, absolutely anything, is possible with God.
    You're kidding aren't you?   This is surreal.  :cowboy:

    Here we are talking about a fake protestant, who is actually a cryto-Jєω pornographer, Zionist financed, with the aim of overturning a nation's Christian sɛҳuąƖ morality and an Irish-lib comes on the forum pondering if Hefner had Baptism of Desire?

    Let me guess.  Are you an SSPX member from New York or New Jersey ?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi