Author Topic: Day-old baby boy taken into HSE custody (Read 810 times)

John Grace · « **on:** September 28, 2013, 10:31:27 AM »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/day-old-baby-boy-taken-into-hse-custody-244607.html

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Saturday, September 28, 2013
A day-old breast-fed baby was taken from its mother yesterday after a strong force of gardaí surrounded a house in a border county on the instructions of HSE care workers.

By Ray Managh and Aodhán Ó Faoláin
Mr Justice Sean Ryan will sit in the High Court first thing today to hear legal argument as to the lawfulness of the baby’s detention.

Michael O’Higgins SC, counsel for the baby and its mother, told the court that the child was born on Wednesday and by Thursday evening it was the subject of an emergency care application by the HSE in the district court.

The identity of the baby or its parents, or publication of any detail that might lead to identifying any of them, was banned by the court, which heard there were “certain existing allegations” against the father which had been of concern to the HSE.

Mr O’Higgins, who appeared with Mairead Carey, said the baby was now in the custody of the HSE and he was asking the court to direct an inquiry into the lawfulness of that custody.

He said the issue to be decided by the High Court was whether there was a deficiency in the procedure adopted in yesterday’s district court hearing.

He said the mother has one teenage child in care of the HSE and the father had two teenage children also in the care of the HSE.

Mr O’Higgins said that after the mother had become pregnant the pregnancy had been monitored by the HSE. A conference had been held by the HSE on Sept 10 at which it had been considered the baby might be at risk following birth.

At 8.17am on Wednesday, the mother gave birth to a boy and by 5.15pm the family solicitor had received an indication that an emergency care application would be made before a District Court judge on Thursday.

The mother and baby left the hospital on Thursday morning and had gone to a friend’s house.

“A large number of gardaí surrounded the house and went inside and announced to those inside that they were under house arrest, causing a significant degree of distress to the mother,” Mr O’Higgins told the court.

Following negotiations between the family solicitor and gardaí, the Garda presence surrounding the house, which consisted of two squad cars and a Garda van, had been reduced to one Garda car.

Shortly afterwards a Garda application had been made to the district court, which had been told of Garda concern about a risk to the child’s safety.

“There is a suspicion that this was enjoined retrospectively to justify the garda presence at the house and the house arrest,” said Mr O’Higgins.

He said the district court judge had not made any order but said he was satisfied a risk existed and that it was a matter for the High Court.

He said no complaint was directed against the mother of the child but against her partner, a man she had recently married.

Mr O’Higgins said the mother had given an undertaking that she would reside with her baby separate from its father.
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John Grace · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:35:20 AM »

Vin from MSI Radio discusses this.

'Constitution disregarded to Destroy Family ?'

Tiffany · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:36:34 AM »

no due process

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:41:34 AM »

I was away all day and am just home. I was reading about it earlier. Vin on MSI radio usually has good material and discusses matters in depth. Obviously you discern material.

Tiffany · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:42:51 AM »

There seems to be a gag order on the media here.

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:47:20 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

There seems to be a gag order on the media here.

MSI Radio has been on the go for a few years now. More and more people no longer bother with the controlled media and will go to the internet for news.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:50:37 AM »

Regarding the HSE (Health Service Executive) the Chief Executive is Tony O'Brien. He is a former Chief Executive of the Irish Family Planning Association, an affiliate of Planned Parenthood.

Tiffany · « **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:52:38 AM »

Mr O’Higgins said the mother had given an undertaking that she would reside with her baby separate from its father.

http://massoutrage.com/ma/cps-resources/dcf-dirty-tricks/

Men are Abusers, Women are Victims, Children are Ours

Most DCF agents actually believe that children should belong to the state, and that parents are evil. Their motto could be:

MEN ARE ABUSERS.
WOMEN ARE VICTIMS.
CHILDREN ARE OURS.

This changes only if the woman will not become a victim for them, or if the man feminizes himself properly. If you play the victim (even a male victim), and you "need" them, they will work with you. If you keep your dignity and independence (even if you are a woman), then you must be crushed. Victims thrive in their perverse world. Independent people who do not need them have their children taken away.

Timothy · « **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:55:38 AM »

Do we know any facts about this case, beyond what was in the OP? For instance, I'm sure no would disagree with the HSE's actions if the mother was a drug addict or something of the sort.

Tiffany · « **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2013, 10:59:44 AM »

Quote from: Timothy

Do we know any facts about this case, beyond what was in the OP? For instance, I'm sure no would disagree with the HSE's actions if the mother was a drug addict or something of the sort.

Typical church go-er response, there must be "something" and the violation of the parental rights is justified.

Timothy · « **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2013, 11:04:59 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Quote from: Timothy
Do we know any facts about this case, beyond what was in the OP? For instance, I'm sure no would disagree with the HSE's actions if the mother was a drug addict or something of the sort.

Typical church go-er response, there must be "something" and the violation of the parental rights is justified.

I'm sorry my response wasn't more clear. My true feelings on this case, based in the facts presented, are: I don't know. No information beyond the taking if the child and his age have been released. It's quite possible that the government is abusing its authority in this case. It's also quite possible that the actions taken are justified. Because there are no details, I have no idea how to react.

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2013, 06:48:00 PM »

The insidiousness of this case boils down to this: WE DON'T KNOW.
The authorities are not talking and the Court has established what we call in the USA as a "gag order". This is evil. If a child is forceably taken away from his/her parents then the community MUST know why. This whole "authoritative silence" on the part of the police and courts is EVIL. We, as a society, have a right to know about basic circuмstances of why a child or baby is forceably removed from his/her parents. Taking a child away from his/her parents negates any "privacy" concerns. This concerns the whole community - not just the parents or the child. The community must know the reasons and the facts.