Author Topic: Date of Founding of the Church (Read 2140 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2011, 11:31:45 AM »

General Hugues de Nanteuil makes a compelling case in his book, The Dates of the Birth and Death of Jesus Christ that the traditional dates used by the Church, i.e., that Jesus was actually born on December 25th 1 B.C. and that he was circuмcised on January 1, A.D. 1 (eight days after his birth) are the actual dates of the historical events.

The book can be obtained from Tradibooks, available online at: http://stores.lulu.com/tradibooks

Thus, the actual birthday of the Church is indeed on Pentecost Sunday in the year A.D. 33. Those who claim otherwise do not have evidence that another date is correct; they merely question the evidence (needlessly, in my opinion) that the dates always accepted by the Church are incorrect.

trad123 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2011, 11:48:26 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

that Jesus was actually born on December 25th 1 B.C. and that he was circuмcised on January 1, A.D. 1

Perhaps then we should start using B.C.E.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2011, 04:30:48 PM »

Has the Church ever, in any authoritative ay, even expressed an opinion about this? Whatever the case, it seems to me that the exact dates are hardly that important, whatever they are.

Sigismund · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2011, 04:32:08 PM »

Also, I have read that the census that the gospels seem to be talking about relating to Our Lord's birth would have taken place in 4 BC. Doe it really matter to anyone but historians?

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2011, 08:40:48 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Has the Church ever, in any authoritative way, even expressed an opinion about this? Whatever the case, it seems to me that the exact dates are hardly that important, whatever they are.

Hmm, I suppose you're right, it's probably not really all that important. I was just curious from the perspective of a historian what most Catholics would deem the "beginning" of the Church age.

Not that it bears much authority, but here's what Wikipedia has to say:

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Pentecost is historically and symbolically related to the Jєωιѕн harvest festival of Shavuot, which commemorates God giving the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai fifty days after the Exodus. Among Christians, Pentecost commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Twelve apostles and other followers of Jesus as described in the Acts of the Apostles 2:1-31.[3] For this reason, Pentecost is sometimes described as the "Birthday of the Church."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost

Interestingly, according to the same article, the eastern "Orthodox" "do not consider Pentecost to be the "birthday" of the Church; they see the Church as having existed before the creation of the world." Not really sure how they figure that one. :confused1: