Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.  

I have perused a number of forums on FishEaters and I have learnt about your endeavors to post Novus Ordo Catholic beliefs and teachings in traditional Catholic websites as shared by many bloggers from Fisheaters.

In spite of the political disagreements of sedevacantists and sedeplenists regarding the canonical papal reigns of these apostate Vatican II popes, do you not realize that we are all united against the very false church you claim to profess in?

Do you not realize that Fr. Hans Küng, the Vatican II theologian, and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, have stated that Pope Paul VI created a New Church as a result of the Second Vatican Council.  It's not even a matter of liberal or conservative who claims that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church during the papacy of Pius XII and his papal predecessors.  Even the liberal Cardinal Yves Congar had veritably stated that the "Church of Vatican II had severed the chains off the shores of the Church of the Middle Ages" because of the Vatican II docuмent, Gaudium et Spes (the Church in the Modern World).

Pope Paul VI desired Catholic countries to separate their respective civil governments from being united with the Catholic Church, which resulted in the legalization of divorce, pornography, same-sex marriage, abortion, and other practices inimical to traditional Catholic faith and morals.  In addition to his political onslaught, Paul VI ravaged the 7 sacraments by changing the substance of these holy mysteries.  Vegetable oil may be used in administering Confirmation and the formula for Anointing of the Sick was changed, which the Council of Trent explicitly condemned under pain of anathema to anyone who favors changing the formula of the Last Rites.

If you expect an average Catholic here to accept the so-called "Blessed" John Paul II, then such a thing would tantamount in condemning the very movement that has rebelled against his apostate papacy.

Heroes like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc, Bishop Michel Guerard de Lauriers, O.P., Cardinal Alfred Ottaviani, Fr. Luigi Villa, Fr. Malachi Martin would have to be condemned as "schismatics" if we accept your unceasing proselytism of the New Religion, including the acceptance of the "miracles" of Pope John Paul II.

If one were to preach the New Religion here, it wouldn't sit well with my stomach as long as I profess the True Faith as taught to me over a decade ago by the Society of St. Pius X.

Dear RonCal, I am also a holder of the Sedevacantist position and have this to say: What harm is poche doing? I say leave him be. There is always a witchhunt for trolls on this forum, poche is a regular, if he is culled the forum will be less active, same goes for any reg.

BTW
What was your daring question for him?

Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.

I too have a daring question for Poche or anyone who thinks JPII is canonization-worthy, meaning not only miracles, but HEROIC VIRTUES!

Which of the follow is the MOST heroic virtue of John Paul II:
a. inviting devil worshipers into Catholic churches and Catholic shrines to worship and implore their favorite devils for world peace.
b. (attempting to) officially state that the most loyal Catholic bishop in the Church and the loyal Catholic bishops he consecrated all incurred excommunication in a schismatic act
c. allowing altar girls and beyond immodest women in the sanctuary without any repercussions
d. signing joint theological declarations with unconverted heretics and schismatics and giving the impression at times that Anglicans have valid orders
e. Supporting Vatican II wholeheartedly and using the Novus Ordo exclusively since it was introduced ever while allowing and using himself the word “all” in the consecration
f. consecrating Russia without saying “Russia” and further burying Fatima with an at best incomplete third secret and totally false interpretation.
g. protecting and championing the founder of the so called Legionnaires of Christ
h. creating World Youth Day, a Woodstock for Catholics
i. writing virtually impossible to dechiper encyclicals
j. withholding papal condemnation of the Charismatic Movement and the false apparitions of Medjugorje
k. kissing the Koran
l. caving into the free Masonic practice of cremation


Oh, there are many more “heroic virtues”, but out of the above list which is the MOST heroic and which is your personal favorite?

Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.  

I have perused a number of forums on FishEaters and I have learnt about your endeavors to post Novus Ordo Catholic beliefs and teachings in traditional Catholic websites as shared by many bloggers from Fisheaters.

In spite of the political disagreements of sedevacantists and sedeplenists regarding the canonical papal reigns of these apostate Vatican II popes, do you not realize that we are all united against the very false church you claim to profess in?

Do you not realize that Fr. Hans Küng, the Vatican II theologian, and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, have stated that Pope Paul VI created a New Church as a result of the Second Vatican Council.  It's not even a matter of liberal or conservative who claims that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church during the papacy of Pius XII and his papal predecessors.  Even the liberal Cardinal Yves Congar had veritably stated that the "Church of Vatican II had severed the chains off the shores of the Church of the Middle Ages" because of the Vatican II docuмent, Gaudium et Spes (the Church in the Modern World).

Pope Paul VI desired Catholic countries to separate their respective civil governments from being united with the Catholic Church, which resulted in the legalization of divorce, pornography, same-sex marriage, abortion, and other practices inimical to traditional Catholic faith and morals.  In addition to his political onslaught, Paul VI ravaged the 7 sacraments by changing the substance of these holy mysteries.  Vegetable oil may be used in administering Confirmation and the formula for Anointing of the Sick was changed, which the Council of Trent explicitly condemned under pain of anathema to anyone who favors changing the formula of the Last Rites.

If you expect an average Catholic here to accept the so-called "Blessed" John Paul II, then such a thing would tantamount in condemning the very movement that has rebelled against his apostate papacy.

Heroes like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc, Bishop Michel Guerard de Lauriers, O.P., Cardinal Alfred Ottaviani, Fr. Luigi Villa, Fr. Malachi Martin would have to be condemned as "schismatics" if we accept your unceasing proselytism of the New Religion, including the acceptance of the "miracles" of Pope John Paul II.

If one were to preach the New Religion here, it wouldn't sit well with my stomach as long as I profess the True Faith as taught to me over a decade ago by the Society of St. Pius X.

The original question that I answered to was "Pope St. Pius Xs many miracles!, Where are all John Paul II's?" I was attempting to offer some information about the miracles that were certified in order for the canonization to go through. You still need two miracles to be certified to have a canonizatioon. Some of these issues don't really apply to John Paul II because you talk about what Pope Paul did. It should be noted that Hans Kung lost his right to call himself a "Catholic theologian" very early on in the papacy of John Paul II. The head of the CDF who signed off on that removal was then Cardinal Ratzinger. (now pope emeritus Benedict XVI)    

Quote from: RonCal26

Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.  

I have perused a number of forums on FishEaters and I have learnt about your endeavors to post Novus Ordo Catholic beliefs and teachings in traditional Catholic websites as shared by many bloggers from Fisheaters.

In spite of the political disagreements of sedevacantists and sedeplenists regarding the canonical papal reigns of these apostate Vatican II popes, do you not realize that we are all united against the very false church you claim to profess in?

Do you not realize that Fr. Hans Küng, the Vatican II theologian, and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, have stated that Pope Paul VI created a New Church as a result of the Second Vatican Council.  It's not even a matter of liberal or conservative who claims that the Conciliar Church is not the Roman Catholic Church during the papacy of Pius XII and his papal predecessors.  Even the liberal Cardinal Yves Congar had veritably stated that the "Church of Vatican II had severed the chains off the shores of the Church of the Middle Ages" because of the Vatican II docuмent, Gaudium et Spes (the Church in the Modern World).

Pope Paul VI desired Catholic countries to separate their respective civil governments from being united with the Catholic Church, which resulted in the legalization of divorce, pornography, same-sex marriage, abortion, and other practices inimical to traditional Catholic faith and morals.  In addition to his political onslaught, Paul VI ravaged the 7 sacraments by changing the substance of these holy mysteries.  Vegetable oil may be used in administering Confirmation and the formula for Anointing of the Sick was changed, which the Council of Trent explicitly condemned under pain of anathema to anyone who favors changing the formula of the Last Rites.

If you expect an average Catholic here to accept the so-called "Blessed" John Paul II, then such a thing would tantamount in condemning the very movement that has rebelled against his apostate papacy.

Heroes like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc, Bishop Michel Guerard de Lauriers, O.P., Cardinal Alfred Ottaviani, Fr. Luigi Villa, Fr. Malachi Martin would have to be condemned as "schismatics" if we accept your unceasing proselytism of the New Religion, including the acceptance of the "miracles" of Pope John Paul II.

If one were to preach the New Religion here, it wouldn't sit well with my stomach as long as I profess the True Faith as taught to me over a decade ago by the Society of St. Pius X.

The original question that I answered to was "Pope St. Pius Xs many miracles!, Where are all John Paul II's?" I was attempting to offer some information about the miracles that were certified in order for the canonization to go through. You still need two miracles to be certified to have a canonizatioon. Some of these issues don't really apply to John Paul II because you talk about what Pope Paul did. It should be noted that Hans Kung lost his right to call himself a "Catholic theologian" very early on in the papacy of John Paul II. The head of the CDF who signed off on that removal was then Cardinal Ratzinger. (now pope emeritus Benedict XVI)    

Poche,

Benedict XVI is no "Pope Emeritus" which was but a vain invention of the Conciliar Church.  And you still didn't answer our question.  Why do you still preach the New Religion and its practices on Cathinfo?

We do not accept it because of its apostasy.

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Quote from: RonCal26

Poche,

I can't help but notice the posts you posted supporting the "beatification" of Pope John Paul II, a man who inaugurated apostasy in the highest echelons of the Roman Catholic Church.

I too have a daring question for Poche or anyone who thinks JPII is canonization-worthy, meaning not only miracles, but HEROIC VIRTUES!

Which of the follow is the MOST heroic virtue of John Paul II:
a. inviting devil worshipers into Catholic churches and Catholic shrines to worship and implore their favorite devils for world peace.
b. (attempting to) officially state that the most loyal Catholic bishop in the Church and the loyal Catholic bishops he consecrated all incurred excommunication in a schismatic act
c. allowing altar girls and beyond immodest women in the sanctuary without any repercussions
I too am in agreement that immodest women should not be in the sanctuatry. For that matter they should go home and dress appropriatly before they come to church.
d. signing joint theological declarations with unconverted heretics and schismatics and giving the impression at times that Anglicans have valid orders.
I don't recall Pope John Paul II giving the impression that Anglicans had valid orders. In fact I heard it said that their "primate" was very displeased when his delegation was grouped with the Protestants (who don't have valid orders or apostoliic succesion rather than with the Orthodox who do have valid orders and apostolic succession  
e. Supporting Vatican II wholeheartedly and using the Novus Ordo exclusively since it was introduced ever while allowing and using himself the word “all” in the consecration
f. consecrating Russia without saying “Russia” and further burying Fatima with an at best incomplete third secret and totally false interpretation.
g. protecting and championing the founder of the so called Legionnaires of Christ
My understanding was that Father Maciel knew how to work the system and keep himself under the radar so to speak so taht Pope John Paul II would never learn about his misdeeds. If he failed in respect to this this could explain a part of his terrestrial purgatory that he suffered before he died.  
h. creating World Youth Day, a Woodstock for Catholics
I see the MJCF doing summer camps and organizing dirferent activities. Maybe some of the posters here could join in with them and then tell us how it went.
I understand that they are friendly to the idea of Resistance and they apparently are better organized. Maybe you could hook up with them and see what the possibilities could be. Here is a link to them;
  http://www.mjcf.com/
i. writing virtually impossible to dechiper encyclicals
I didn't have any trouble understanding his encyclicals and moto proprios, especially when he said that the priesthood was reserved only to men.  
j. withholding papal condemnation of the Charismatic Movement and the false apparitions of Medjugorje
Sometimes when there is this type of mystical phenomena there needs to be time for evaluation. In the Acts of the Apostles, Gamaliel, a member of the Sanhedrin gave some very good advice about this.    
k. kissing the Koran
l. caving into the free Masonic practice of cremation



Oh, there are many more “heroic virtues”, but out of the above list which is the MOST heroic and which is your personal favorite?

When he was archbishop of Krakow he was involved in the building of the largest church in the communist bloc. He defied the Communist government to do it. It was in Nowa Huta.    

Why did he lie about the Third Secret of Fatima and accept the false Sister Lucy?

Why did he pose for immodest photographs?

Why didn't he tell that naked aborigine to get some clothes on?

Why did he smoke a peace pipe in honor of demons?

poche, do you realize that Assisi was blasphemy?

Quote from: RonCal26

It seems Poche doesn't want to address the issue.

I did not answer you as soon as you would have liked because my access to the internet is limited.

Look, poche, there is no need for you to answer to these occasional witch hunts. These people have no lives, and are probably frustrated with society so they take out their frustrations on the people they talk to over the internet.

That is not to dismiss all the posters on Cathinfo, just incase some of the carreer trolls take me up on everything I say, but this forum has a problem. Bullying is the problem. You don't have to take this from anyone. At the end of the day, this is just a forum. They don't know you and you have not started any thread to debate any particular point, so this is just attempted bullying in my opinion.

It is best to put these people on ignore. You are probably a good Catholic so don't feel like we are all against you. Maybe spend time reading Christian classics instead of pointless talk on the internet.
 :cool:

Quote from: RonCal26

It seems Poche doesn't want to address the issue.

I did not answer you as soon as you would have liked because my access to the internet is limited.

And perhaps becasue he does not spend his entire life in front of a computer screen.