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Offline Belloc

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Dangers of Predestinationism
« on: January 11, 2011, 12:00:15 PM »
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  • The Reformation
    Heretical Predestinarianism received a new and vigorous impulse at the outbreak of the Reformation. Luther having denied the freedom of the will in sinful man as also freedom in the use of grace, logically placed the eternal destiny of the individual solely and entirely in the hands of God, who without any regard to merit or demerit metes out heaven or hell just as He pleases. Zwingli endeavoured to obviate the grave consequences that this principle necessarily produces in the moral order by the vain excuse that "just as God incited the robber to commit murder, so also He forces the judge to impose the penalty of death on the murderer" (De provid. Dei, in "Opera" ed. Schuler, IV, 113). Melanchthon taught expressly that the treason of Judas was just as much the work of God as was the vocation of St. Paul (cf. Trident., Sess. VI, can. vi, in Denzinger, n. 816).

     Calvin is the most logical advocate of Predestinarianism pure and simple. Absolute and positive predestination of the elect for eternal life, as well as of the reprobate for hell and for sin, is one of the chief elements of his whole doctrinal system and is closely connected with the all-pervading thought of "the glory of God". Strongly religious by nature and with an instinct for systematizing, but also with a harsh unyielding character, Calvin was the first to weave the scattered threads which he thought he had found in St. Paul, St. Augustine, Wyclif, Luther, and Bucer, into a strong network which enveloped his entire system of practical and theoretical Christianity. Thus he became in fact the systematizer of the dread doctrine of predestination. Although Calvin does not deny that man had free will in paradise, still he traces back the fall of Adam to an absolute and positive decree of God (Instit., I, 15, 8; III, 23, 8).

    SOURCE:  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12376b.htm
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    Offline Riddlesnthdrk

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    Dangers of Predestinationism
    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 10:28:51 PM »
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  •  :reading: Okay, let me get this straight, since you choose to write in more complex forms. Predestination, means that you pretty much live your life however and say God knows where I'll end up for eternity. So why try to do things in a way that I don't like, for example fallowing God's laws, if I think I'm destined for hell?? Is that what you mean? I've heard the term before, just never read into.


    Offline Sigismund

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    Dangers of Predestinationism
    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
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  • As I understand it, Calvinism says you should still do what is right out of respect for the sovereignty of God and gratitude for your creation.  Why you should respect a sovereign who is so clearly a despot and feel grateful for being created with no hope of anything but eternal damnation is not clear.

    On the other hand, isn't this pretty much what St Augustine said?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir