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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2018, 12:37:53 PM »
Should a man assume this is a real possibility before he marries the young lady, why marry her at all?  Same goes for the young lady.  If she believes the man may leave her or beat her or cheat on her, etc, why take the risk?
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The solution is not to take precautions on paper but to do the best you can to make a good choice before marriage, pray for each other a lot, and leave the rest to God.
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He will take care of you if you do the best you can and trust in Him.

Legal precautions can be circuмvented if the woman has lost all regard for the moral aspects of the act.  She can claim abuse for instance.  Ah, yes, the wicked husband severely spanked one of the children (this can be exaggerated).  Despite what Pax says, it doesn't have to be proven in a criminal court in order for the divorce judge to factor it in.  Women could have affairs without ever getting caught, etc.  As you say, the only true precaution is finding the right person.  And you don't go on how she presents herself while dating.  You look at her family, her upbringing, and signs of her being devout.  Look for women who, without being forced to by their parents, dress modestly and are devout beyond the mere requirements.  Look for women who attend weekday Mass or have a strong prayer life.  Then your odds of a stable marriage increase dramatically ... if you yourself have the same qualities.

And then, if despite all this, God wills to bring you the cross of an unfaithful wife, well then it's His will that we suffer those things for our sanctification.  We have the opportunity to turn the other cheek and become holy in our forgiveness of such a great offense.

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2018, 12:43:27 PM »
And then, if despite all this, God wills to bring you the cross of an unfaithful wife, well then it's His will that we suffer those things for our sanctification.  We have the opportunity to turn the other cheek and become holy in our forgiveness of such a great offense.
Isn’t adultry a reason to get a divorce in the Church’s eyes? Or well, God’s eyes.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2018, 12:52:57 PM »
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Legal precautions can be circuмvented if the woman has lost all regard for the moral aspects of the act.  
Maybe partially, but not totally.  I'd rather have an agreement than not.
Your argument is one based on extremes.  "Well, the safety features of a car don't work 100% of the time, and even if you had airbags, and steel framing, anti-lock brakes and impact-resistant engineering, you could still die, so you might as well save $ and buy a crappy car because safety features are a waste."  Just because something isn't full-proof doesn't mean it's worthless.

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2018, 01:00:38 PM »
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And then, if despite all this, God wills to bring you the cross of an unfaithful wife, well then it's His will that we suffer those things for our sanctification.  We have the opportunity to turn the other cheek and become holy in our forgiveness of such a great offense.
You don't go hiking in the woods without water, food and emergency supplies...just in case.  If you forget all that, go hiking and then almost die of dehydration because you turned your ankle and didn't have water, and it took you 4 hrs to walk back to your car.  You can't say "well, God wanted me to suffer this tragedy."  That's true in some sense- God did allow you to turn your ankle... but it's also true that you caused your own suffering through stupidity and being unprepared.  Had you brought extra water, you wouldn't have almost died, even with a turned ankle.
The point is, humans must act in the world on the spiritual AND temporal level.  Same thing applies to marriage.  Your prep is both spiritual AND temporal (which includes legal).

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2018, 01:04:07 PM »
Pax Vobis, 

Are you against marriage license too? I only ask because after much reading, and listening to everything most have to say here. I actually don’t think a prenup is a bad thing. I can see how it’s been stigmatized, but my only request would be that the man signed a marriage license so he can’t just ghost us and remarry.