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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2018, 10:32:24 AM »
Here’s where it gets complicated.
Most friends and family in my circle have found their spouses outside of their chapels and Sunday Mass.
Many trads seem to be choosing who they like and then bringing them to Church to see if they’ll eventually convert, and if they do then they’ll marry them. 

I know.  I've called this out once before.  I know a couple extended family who pulled the old "conversion" marriage.  Both had their wives leave and divorce them.  If I were a priest, I wouldn't do these at all.  If the prospective spouse converts after marriage, that's fine.  Very few such pre-marriage conversions are real and sincere.  As soon as things get tough, they magically revert to their pre-Catholic mindset regarding divorce and remarriage.  I knew someone else who was dating a woman who "converted" (before they were to be married).  They had a little spat, and she magically stopped going to Mass. People who "convert" easily typically do so because they don't really care or don't "see the difference" between one group or another.  It's more of a social choice to them.  I think there's more hope, to be honest, in someone who refuses to convert based on their convictions.  In that case, if they DO eventually convert, it'll more likely be for reasons of conviction.   People really need to stop dating non-Catholics because they find them attractive or enjoy their personalities ... the old hormone-driven dating.  Those considerations rarely suffice to make a marriage last, because every marriage has tough times.

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2018, 02:50:32 PM »
I know.  I've called this out once before.  I know a couple extended family who pulled the old "conversion" marriage.  Both had their wives leave and divorce them.  If I were a priest, I wouldn't do these at all.  If the prospective spouse converts after marriage, that's fine.  Very few such pre-marriage conversions are real and sincere. 
I became Catholic while engaged to my husband-to-be.  My conversion was real and sincere, although, due to the horrendous Novus Ordo instruction I received, I was incredibly ignorant about the Faith.  For example, I thought that private Confession had been replaced by group Reconciliation services and did not even know how to go to Confession.  I thought that the Rosary was from back before people were literate and someone like me had no reason to pray it.  I thought that birth control was up to the conscience of the couple. Etc.

So, to a large extent, I did not even know what I was converting to.  About the only doctrine I understood correctly was that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Our Lord.  I knew this because I had learned about it in a high school history class, not because I was taught it at the Novus Ordo.


Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2018, 03:04:57 PM »
I don't know for sure if the nature of a coed forum makes for a breeding ground for feminism, but it's possible. 
I think that the feminism among trads is even worse in all female settings.  When there are men around to give guidance and correction, the less infected women may respond to that.  Without any men, it is less likely there will be anything to hold the feminism in check.

I can see the value of having a place for all male discussions, but I have misgivings about having an all female forum.  It works the way it is done here on the CI women's subforum.  While normally the women talk among ourselves, there is a male moderator able to intervene if necessary.

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2018, 06:40:28 PM »
I became Catholic while engaged to my husband-to-be.  My conversion was real and sincere, although, due to the horrendous Novus Ordo instruction I received, I was incredibly ignorant about the Faith.  For example, I thought that private Confession had been replaced by group Reconciliation services and did not even know how to go to Confession.  I thought that the Rosary was from back before people were literate and someone like me had no reason to pray it.  I thought that birth control was up to the conscience of the couple. Etc.

So, to a large extent, I did not even know what I was converting to.  About the only doctrine I understood correctly was that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Our Lord.  I knew this because I had learned about it in a high school history class, not because I was taught it at the Novus Ordo.
You were taught those things in RCIA?
What decade, 80's?
Scary!

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2018, 06:52:20 PM »
You were taught those things in RCIA?
What decade, 80's?
Scary!
Good call.  Yes it was RCIA and it was 1980.  The "new springtime of the Church."   ::) 

It's practically a miracle that I ever found out what Catholicism really is.