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Offline Carissima

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2018, 01:18:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 06, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
    As you say, the only true precaution is finding the right person.  And you don't go on how she presents herself while dating.  You look at her family, her upbringing, and signs of her being devout.  Look for women who, without being forced to by their parents, dress modestly and are devout beyond the mere requirements.  Look for women who attend weekday Mass or have a strong prayer life.  Then your odds of a stable marriage increase dramatically ... 
    Here’s where it gets complicated. 
    Most friends and family in my circle have found their spouses outside of their chapels and Sunday Mass. 
    Many trads seem to be choosing who they like and then bringing them to Church to see if they’ll eventually convert, and if they do then they’ll marry them. So essentially they are ‘training’ their own spouse beforehand. 
    Now I know that sometimes a convert can be a better Catholic than someone raised in it, but I wouldn’t want to take that chance with my future spouse and living a daily Catholic life. 

    I think this prenup stuff is for those who fear that their converted spouse will turn back to their old ways.

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #31 on: July 06, 2018, 03:17:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on July 06, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
    Isn’t adultry a reason to get a divorce in the Church’s eyes? Or well, God’s eyes.
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    No, adultery is not a reason to get a divorce. When a Catholic marries s/he is married until the death of one of the spouses. For a Catholic there is no such thing as divorce., and no reason for divorce (which is not the same thing as separation which is allowed in necessity.)
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    I believe that some people here are saying that it is necessary to go through a divorce, according to the state, in order to survive, but even then neither of the Catholic spouses may "remarry", because they are still married in the eyes of the Church and in the eyes of God.
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    Of course, an added incentive to stay together and work it out through repentance, forgiveness and the life of prayer and sacrifice.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #32 on: July 06, 2018, 04:33:54 PM »
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    • He did seem to post a lot of videos from non-Catholic sources.  I have been guilty of watching non-catholic content myself.  It does change your world view if you consume too much of it.

    It seems  like a lot of younger trad-Catholics are becoming more intrigued by russian orthodox because russia seems less cultural-marxist than the west at the moment. I hope this trend doesn't continue because russian orthodxy is no alternative to traditional Catholicism. Russian orthodoxy is another path to hell.  
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #33 on: July 06, 2018, 05:15:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 06, 2018, 03:17:06 PM
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    No, adultery is not a reason to get a divorce. When a Catholic marries s/he is married until the death of one of the spouses. For a Catholic there is no such thing as divorce., and no reason for divorce (which is not the same thing as separation which is allowed in necessity.)
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    I believe that some people here are saying that it is necessary to go through a divorce, according to the state, in order to survive, but even then neither of the Catholic spouses may "remarry", because they are still married in the eyes of the Church and in the eyes of God.
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    Of course, an added incentive to stay together and work it out through repentance, forgiveness and the life of prayer and sacrifice.
    Understood thank you!
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #34 on: July 06, 2018, 05:18:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on July 06, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
    Isn’t adultry a reason to get a divorce in the Church’s eyes? Or well, God’s eyes.

    Adultery is grounds for separation.  Once separated, a couple may go through a civil divorce for various pragmatic reasons, but they remain married in the eyes of God and of the Church and cannot marry someone else.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #35 on: July 06, 2018, 05:55:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 06, 2018, 12:35:22 PM
    If the young lady is trustworthy and pious, then why does she care about signing a docuмent that will never affect her?
    If the young man is pious and trustworthy, why does he need something that will never affect him?
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #36 on: July 06, 2018, 05:58:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 06, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
    Maybe partially, but not totally.  I'd rather have an agreement than not.
    Your argument is one based on extremes.  "Well, the safety features of a car don't work 100% of the time, and even if you had airbags, and steel framing, anti-lock brakes and impact-resistant engineering, you could still die, so you might as well save $ and buy a crappy car because safety features are a waste."  Just because something isn't full-proof doesn't mean it's worthless.
    The only thing fool-proof is that a fool not get married.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #37 on: July 06, 2018, 08:28:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on July 06, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
    Isn’t adultry a reason to get a divorce in the Church’s eyes? Or well, God’s eyes.
    There is NO "reason to get a divorce".
    There ARE reasons where separation is allowed (matter of choice), and also reasons where annulment is allowed (again, matter of choice).  While this may seem minor , it is not.  Some women choose to stay with a spouse where she has legitimate grounds for separation or annulment.  The decision is her choice.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #38 on: July 06, 2018, 09:01:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on July 06, 2018, 08:28:09 PM
    There is NO "reason to get a divorce".
    There ARE reasons where separation is allowed (matter of choice), and also reasons where annulment is allowed (again, matter of choice).  While this may seem minor , it is not.  Some women choose to stay with a spouse where she has legitimate grounds for separation or annulment.  The decision is her choice.
    No, annulment is not a matter of choice. Annulment is when there is no marriage. The decision is not hers to make. It is for the Church to decide.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #39 on: July 06, 2018, 10:17:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 06, 2018, 09:01:14 PM
    No, annulment is not a matter of choice. Annulment is when there is no marriage. The decision is not hers to make. It is for the Church to decide.
    Re-read what I said...
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    Some women choose to stay with a spouse where she has legitimate grounds for annulment.
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    In this regard, it is her choice, since the paperwork must first be filed...
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #40 on: July 06, 2018, 10:40:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on July 06, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
    Re-read what I said...
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    Some women choose to stay with a spouse where she has legitimate grounds for annulment.
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    In this regard, it is her choice, since the paperwork must first be filed...
    If a person has serious reason to believe they're not actually married to the person they're living with, I don't think doing nothing is an option. They need to either ask the Church to regularize their situation or seek the declaration of annulment.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #41 on: July 06, 2018, 10:47:52 PM »
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    • No need to be snappy, TxTrad! I did read what you said, and I re-read it before posting! What you said needed to be corrected to avoid confusion.
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    Of course "some women choose to stay with a spouse where she has legitimate grounds for annulment" I don't dispute that. Or she may already have left him before petitioning for an annulment.
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    But annulment is not a matter of choice for the woman. The woman has not the right to determine whether she has the grounds for annulment. You are confusing the right to apply for annulment with the right to separate, which is not contested if the relationship is untenable.  
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #42 on: July 06, 2018, 11:07:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on July 05, 2018, 12:42:17 PM
    My anti-feminist posts were getting down-voted too, as were those of other women.  I think that this time it is about what we are saying, not how we say it.
    A little of both. The "what" gets you a few down votes, but the "how" makes the difference between 3 down votes vs. 7 or more!
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #43 on: July 07, 2018, 12:05:04 AM »
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    but the "how" makes the difference between 3 down votes vs. 7 or more!
    Because women were taking things personally and being overly emotional.
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    « Reply #44 on: July 07, 2018, 12:07:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 07, 2018, 12:05:04 AM
    Because women were taking things personally and being overly emotional.
    Yup, that right there... 7 or more.  ;)
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