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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2018, 01:11:35 PM »
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There's an implicit undercurrent of misogyny in your posts to the effect of "most women are scuŠ¼ and left to their own devices will be immoral and cheat".
Sorry, but that was Croix's mindset, not mine.  I am simply arguing that IF a woman loses her Faith and decides to divorce, then a prenup can help a man.  As many have pointed out, the odds are low, but it's still a possibility. 
Most who disagreed with me were making the argument that any rebuke of women is automatic feminism and hateful language.  Meanwhile, EVERY post where I criticized women AND men, were upvoted - which shows immaturity.  The downvotes are just coming from closet-feminsts who are not adult enough for such discussions without getting their feelings hurt.
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Offline Merry

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2018, 01:34:12 PM »
For a marriage to be valid, do not both parties have to come to it without any mental reservations?  Does not a pre-nup indicate a mental reservation?   
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2018, 02:00:32 PM »
Is the Church's Nuptial Blessing, wherein she prays for and reminds the wife to be pure, faithful, wise in her friends, supportive of her husband and honoring of her vows a mental reservation?  I mean, the couple just got married 45 minutes before, and the Church is already praying for the wife to remember her vows?

A prenup deals with civil divorce, not the sacrament.  It's an agreement that if a civil marriage is destroyed by either party, then here are the financial penalties.  Just like the Church has/teaches spiritual penalties during marriage classes, so the prenup is an agreement as to financial penalties.  If the marriage stays together, then the prenup is meaningless, so it doesn't affect anything.
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Offline TxTrad

Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2018, 10:34:32 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 05, 2018, 01:11:35 PM
  I am simply arguing that IF a woman loses her Faith and decides to divorce, then a prenup can help a man.  
Should a man assume this is a real possibility before he marries the young lady, why marry her at all?  Same goes for the young lady.  If she believes the man may leave her or beat her or cheat on her, etc, why take the risk?
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The solution is not to take precautions on paper but to do the best you can to make a good choice before marriage, pray for each other a lot, and leave the rest to God.
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He will take care of you if you do the best you can and trust in Him.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2018, 12:35:22 PM »
If the young lady is trustworthy and pious, then why does she care about signing a docuŠ¼ent that will never affect her?
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