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Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
« on: December 02, 2011, 09:16:38 PM »
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    Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
    « Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 11:04:49 PM »
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  • First of all...I am not sure if Benedict really said this or not. But I have read that benedict is an authoritarian liberal which is a tendency towards communism.

    Second, if Benedict said this, I would like to know if this has become Catholic Doctrine. Until I know for a fact that it has become Catholic Doctrine, I will disagree with this idea.

    Third, I think communism is a sin, and without Capitalism....other places in the world would starve to death because there would be no wealthy people to donate to them. In a communist system, mankind (as a whole) will never reach its maximum potential. Why? because you are not allowed to be better at something than someone else. Plus there is no incentive to succeed in life when you know you will get the same as everyone else no matter what. Communism is terrible. Free-Market capitalism is the only way to go.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2011, 07:52:10 AM »
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  • Capitalism is a sin. So is Socialism and Communism. The proper political philosophy for Catholics loyal to the teachings of the Magisterium is called Distributism. I suggest you look at the life and writings of Dorothy Day and peruse a website called Distributist Review.
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    Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 01:59:08 PM »
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  • Does anyone think Our Lord would have approved of excessive wealth.  There is no indication in the Gospels that I can see that He would have.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2011, 02:02:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Does anyone think Our Lord would have approved of excessive wealth.  There is no indication in the Gospels that I can see that He would have.


    Neither Jesus nor the Old Testament ever argued against the accuмulation of wealth. They simply urged the wealthy to be charitable with it.
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    Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 03:56:00 PM »
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  • Both Capitalism and Communism were invented by the same criminal gang and are really just two sides of the same coin.  Ultimately all the wealth and power  end up in the hands of a very few.
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2011, 05:28:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: rowsofvoices9
    Both Capitalism and Communism were invented by the same criminal gang and are really just two sides of the same coin.  Ultimately all the wealth and power  end up in the hands of a very few.


    Very true.

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    Create Benedict XVI says Capitalism is a sin, communism is OK
    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 05:38:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: pax
    Capitalism is a sin. So is Socialism and Communism. The proper political philosophy for Catholics loyal to the teachings of the Magisterium is called Distributism. I suggest you look at the life and writings of Dorothy Day and peruse a website called Distributist Review.


    Interesting Pax, I'm going to look into it, thanks!


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    « Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 05:49:49 PM »
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  • Ridiculous.  When has the Catholic Church ever ONCE used the word Distributism?  

    Another victim of GK Chesterton and these British Edwardian Catholics.

    Capitalism is the way it has always been done in Catholic Europe.  But it is capitalism that is kept in check by a strong government.  

    People here are confusing "capitalism" with "economic liberalism."  The Church is against economic liberalism; not against capitalism.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 05:54:19 PM »
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  • Wikipedia said:
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    Distributism's philosophical origins can be traced to the same 19th-century roots as socialism, as a reaction against the perceived inequalities and misery of high capitalism in late Victorian England.


    This is another threat just like far-right statist Catholicism.  Something else for me to read up on, because I see where this is going, and it isn't good.  It sounds like masked socialism to me.  

    One of the ways the devil hooks people is to give them an extreme reaction to an extreme problem.  But just because capitalism was abused is no reason to fall for this trap.  The answer is a strong Church, charity, and alms for the poor, not some kind of idealistic chimera.  The problems of the world won't be solved by dry intellectuals and their big ideas, it will be solved by charity, and by the Restoration of the Church.

    P.S.  The Robespierre-praising, French-Revolution-loving Chesterton is a dangerous figure and is greatly overrated.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 06:08:21 PM »
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  • I may have spoken too soon.  I need to read up on Distributism, it might be okay.  For some reason I smell a rat, but I can't put my finger on why.

    Maybe what disturbs me is the unfeasible idealism of it; just like with socialism.  I see here the opportunity for a far-too-invasive government.  Since the family is positioned as the center of everything, a huge window of opportunity is created to interfere with any business that has grown "too big" and is not "family" or "local" enough.  Yes, I think this is the link with socialism.  Because to decide these very vague matters, there would have to be an all-powerful government, wouldn't there?

    I always say there should be a big government.  The government should certainly prevent companies from importing cheap goods and outsourcing labor, that is simply a crime against the state and its people.  But I think that distributism is dangerously idealistic and really paves the way for an incredibly intrusive government.  The socialistic roots are shown in that idealism, perhaps.
    Who is to say when a business is not "family-centered" enough?  Is it when it employs 10 people?  100 people?  

    Another problem -- how many people out there are leaders who are going to start their own companies, do their own farming, etc.?  Doesn't this destroy opportunities of employment for the unskilled who rely on those who take more initiative?  I don't think there are that many enterprising people out there.  The result, like with socialism, like with communism, could be an idealistic system resulting in mass poverty.

    This may be the Trojan Horse that I'm kind of sensing.  But I don't want to commit to any position yet.  I have to keep investigating this.

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    « Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 06:22:15 PM »
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  • It is all a distraction.  The US economy is not based on capitalism.  In a capitalistic system, the extreme wealthy would not receive trillions of dollars in transfer payments from the commoners.  

    The whole capitalism v. socialism is similar to the Yankees v. Red Sox.  Americans pick their team and nothing they do is wrong and the opponent is evil incarnate.

    It is time that opened our eyes and realize that our Government has been taken over by the uber-wealthy.  Our government rules in a manner that destroys the economy to the benefit of their masters.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 06:22:39 PM »
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  • I guess Ill just wait for  the monarch  :wink:

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    « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 06:40:11 PM »
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  • I have come to see the whole industrial revolution as evil, or at least resulting in evil.  The fruit of the revolution was to create the materialism of today.  Men are measured not by virtue but by the goods he has accuмulated.  Thus, nearly all men have sacrificed the eternal for the chase of stuff.

    Prior to capitalism, man lived in a small community.  His needs were ordered to the things necessary for life.  He had time for his spiritual life.  Mothers stayed at home and raised their children.  I generalize, there were exceptions.  However, it is generally true.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 06:50:12 PM »
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  • The Industrial Revolution spawned unchecked, unabated, globalized capitalism.  Ironically, this kind of globalized American capitalism pushed by the Tea Party / neo-cons / Reaganites, it's all the same, is considered patriotic, when in reality it is about to lead to megadeath, starvation and total destruction of the people under it.  Yet the thinking of these types can basically be summed up by not wanting to pay taxes.  Well, nations don't run on Flubber; they need money.

    Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater; the Church never rejected capitalism.  Again, it rejected economic liberalism, which is what I described above.  Enterprise and government have to keep each other in check, have to find that delicate balance.  And the Church should be, though isn't always, above the government.  That is the perfect system.

    What we are seeing now is a government entirely owned by enterprise; it is not a real government, has no power of its own.  They are just stooges of the likes of Steve Jobs.  

    It is very clear to me that politicians are the biggest phonies on Earth and that almost anyone who would go into politics is already a phony because, look at it realistically:  If they told the truth about what must be done, they would not win any elections.  So they all compromise and try to cater to various interest groups, that is, they cater to various fantasies of various interest groups.  For the rabble, they say "No more taxes!"  For big business, they say "Unrestrained industry will create jobs!"  It's all a hodgepodge of total insanity; because in a democracy like this, where you rely on the mob to get elected, the leaders are not held responsible before God, but only to the mob.  So naturally it breeds the kind of blatant demagogues we see all around us, a terrifying group let it be said.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.