Hi, my name of Matthew of the Joseph Family.  I am checking this board to find if there are any other like minded Catholics who recognize that Rome fell spiritually in 1566, when Pius V promulgated the Catechismus Romanus, which heretically taught baptism of desire and heretically taught God is the Father of all.  Of course, true Catholics recognize that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation per the Council of Florence and that only baptized Catholics who hold the Faith whole and inviolate are children of the Almighty God.  Also, I do not recognize the so-called SSPX as Catholic nor do I recognize Pius X as a pope, even less a saint.  I hope to find some like-minded people here, as I found a discussion from more than 10 years ago talking about how Pius V lost his papacy when he promulgated the heretical Catechismus Romanus.  I agree with this.  I hope these people are still around.

Please tell us more.

Hi, my name of Matthew of the Joseph Family.  I am checking this board to find if there are any other like minded Catholics who recognize that Rome fell spiritually in 1566, when Pius V promulgated the Catechismus Romanus, which heretically taught baptism of desire and heretically taught God is the Father of all.  Of course, true Catholics recognize that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation per the Council of Florence and that only baptized Catholics who hold the Faith whole and inviolate are children of the Almighty God.  Also, I do not recognize the so-called SSPX as Catholic nor do I recognize Pius X as a pope, even less a saint.  I hope to find some like-minded people here, as I found a discussion from more than 10 years ago talking about how Pius V lost his papacy when he promulgated the heretical Catechismus Romanus.  I agree with this.  I hope these people are still around.

Seems to be the wrong thread to put this question in.

Roman Catechism did not teach Baptism of Desire ... that's just propaganda by the BoDers.  What it taught was that delays in adult Baptism are not as risky as for Infant Baptism, and can be justified for the sake of proper Catechesis, since those delays can be offset the an adult's intention to receive the Sacrament, i.e., as St. Fulgentius said, because God would make sure to keep such a one alive until he could receive the Sacrament.

No, Baptism of Desire is not heretical, but is rather a mistaken piece of speculative theology, and it's more the EXTENSION of BoD to possibly include non-Catholics (rather than just Catechumens) that leads to the rejection of EENS dogma and the modern Vatican II ecclesiology.  If one held, as, say, St. Robert Bellarmine did, that it only applied to Catechumens, there's no real impact to the Church being a Visible Society, and does not lead to Protestant ecclesiology.  Nevertheless, it was quickly exploited to that end.

Yes, God has allowed the error/mistake of BoD to go uncondemned by the Church precisely so as to set up this current Crisis, which is a necessary sifting of the faithful from the unfaithful.  Without BoD, Vatican II simply could not have happened.

You're in incredibly dark and dangerous waters if you're rejecting the papacy of St. Pius X and St. Pius V even, based on your (false) armchair conclusion that the Roman Catechism even taught BoD and that it is heretical and that St. Pius V is responsible personally for every word in the entire thing.

This is precisely the pernicious nonsense that had me back away from SVism, since there's no principle in Totalist SVism to prevent this horror, people engaged in "Pope-Sifting" (the title of that "article" that The Angelus published all those years ago).  Back then the guy in question, similar to you, claimed that Pius IX was a non-pope due to some heresy this theological light had discovered in his teaching ... which happened to be yet another slanderous distortion made by the BoDers, creating propaganda around a distortion of Pius IX's teaching that would make him into an open Pelagian.

This thinking represents a shipwreck of your faith, since for you no dogma is dogma, no dogma certain with the certainty of faith, since if you decide, with your armchair theological skills, that it's error, you simply decide that a Pope was a non-Pope and ... problem solved.  This makes you your own rule of faith no less than if you were a Protestant.  

Please pray hard over this, because you've basically lost your faith ... as this thinking is radically incompatible with supernatural faith.  I'll pray for you too.

Hi, my name of Matthew of the Joseph Family.  I am checking this board to find if there are any other like minded Catholics who recognize that Rome fell spiritually in 1566, when Pius V promulgated the Catechismus Romanus, which heretically taught baptism of desire and heretically taught God is the Father of all.  Of course, true Catholics recognize that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation per the Council of Florence and that only baptized Catholics who hold the Faith whole and inviolate are children of the Almighty God.  Also, I do not recognize the so-called SSPX as Catholic nor do I recognize Pius X as a pope, even less a saint.  I hope to find some like-minded people here, as I found a discussion from more than 10 years ago talking about how Pius V lost his papacy when he promulgated the heretical Catechismus Romanus.  I agree with this.  I hope these people are still around.

MHFM has a good article on the Catechism of Trent: schismatic-home-aloner[dot]com/catechism-of-trent-baptism-of-desire/

It is not infallible and was never purported to be, and was not promulgated to all the faithful 

MHFM has a good article on the Catechism of Trent: schismatic-home-aloner[dot]com/catechism-of-trent-baptism-of-desire/

It is not infallible and was never purported to be, and was not promulgated to all the faithful

1) not Infallble
2) St. Pius V did not endorse every word in that monumental work (if he even had the time to read it all)
3) does NOT teach Baptism of Desire, as the BoD propagandists claim (I have an analysis of the Latin somewhere here on CI, though haven't found it again since then) ... and the languages is almost directly quoting St. Fulgentius (who use the word "avail" or "prevail' to mean that people with the true dispositions will be kept alive until they receive the Sacrament)

BoD propagandists also have that bogus "except through" translation of Trent on justificaiton that distorsts what Trent is teaching also.

This thinking represents a shipwreck of your faith, since for you no dogma is dogma, no dogma certain with the certainty of faith, since if you decide, with your armchair theological skills, that it's error, you simply decide that a Pope was a non-Pope and ... problem solved.  This makes you your own rule of faith no less than if you were a Protestant. 

Please pray hard over this, because you've basically lost your faith ... as this thinking is radically incompatible with supernatural faith.  I'll pray for you too.

To this I would add: how can any of us exercise our faith and have our faith tested if there is not at least one point that causes us doubt sometime in our lives? The reward is great for perseverance in the true faith, and you will eventually understand the current matter of doubt.

We must humbly submit to God's truth and His ways. Our understanding or agreeing with them does not change what is truth. Either you want to go to heaven and humbly submit and conform to God's truth, or let your pride (even if you don't perceive it) get in the way and put your salvation at risk. 

Remain at peace at all times, and pray frequently for truth and the true faith, and the grace to convert from any falsehood. Pray to your Guardian Angel for this as well.