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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Crazy beliefs of some Catholics
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2025, 06:15:09 PM »
Found it ... as is precisely as I said, and the Catechism itself explains the distinction quite clearly:
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God created man to his own image and likeness, an image and likeness which he impressed not on other creatures; and, on account of this peculiar privilege with which he adorned man, he is appropriately designated in Scripture the Father of all men, the Father not alone of the faithful but of all mankind.

This refers to the creation of man in His image and likeness, and therefore in a natural sense is correctly referred to as Father of all (men).

That is in fact the essence of the Gospel, the "Good News", that are are not limited to this natural life, but God has given us the possibility of being reborn into another life, the SUPERnatural life.  This distinction between the natural and supernatural is at the essence of God's Revelation to man in Christ.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Crazy beliefs of some Catholics
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2025, 06:18:34 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on October 19, 2025, 06:14:31 PM
MHFM has a good article on the Catechism of Trent: schismatic-home-aloner[dot]com/catechism-of-trent-baptism-of-desire/

It is not infallible and was never purported to be, and was not promulgated to all the faithful

1) not Infallble
2) St. Pius V did not endorse every word in that monumental work (if he even had the time to read it all)
3) does NOT teach Baptism of Desire, as the BoD propagandists claim (I have an analysis of the Latin somewhere here on CI, though haven't found it again since then) ... and the languages is almost directly quoting St. Fulgentius (who use the word "avail" or "prevail' to mean that people with the true dispositions will be kept alive until they receive the Sacrament)

BoD propagandists also have that bogus "except through" translation of Trent on justificaiton that distorsts what Trent is teaching also.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Crazy beliefs of some Catholics
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2025, 06:23:43 PM »
So, next guess is that he's deposed St. Pius X for the passage in his (allegedly his) Catechism.

People here have found the earliest prints of that Catechism and the reference to BoD is not in there, and nobody could track down when it was first added.  It underwent multiple revisions by many hands, including after his death.  Finally, even if he did believe in BoD, BoD itself is not heretical, as the Church declared doctors at least three men who held that opinion:  St. Thomas Aquinas, ST. Robert Bellarmine, and St. Alphonsus.
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Offline St Giles

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Re: Crazy beliefs of some Catholics
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2025, 06:36:31 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 19, 2025, 06:01:54 PM

This thinking represents a shipwreck of your faith, since for you no dogma is dogma, no dogma certain with the certainty of faith, since if you decide, with your armchair theological skills, that it's error, you simply decide that a Pope was a non-Pope and ... problem solved.  This makes you your own rule of faith no less than if you were a Protestant. 

Please pray hard over this, because you've basically lost your faith ... as this thinking is radically incompatible with supernatural faith.  I'll pray for you too.
To this I would add: how can any of us exercise our faith and have our faith tested if there is not at least one point that causes us doubt sometime in our lives? The reward is great for perseverance in the true faith, and you will eventually understand the current matter of doubt.

We must humbly submit to God's truth and His ways. Our understanding or agreeing with them does not change what is truth. Either you want to go to heaven and humbly submit and conform to God's truth, or let your pride (even if you don't perceive it) get in the way and put your salvation at risk. 

Remain at peace at all times, and pray frequently for truth and the true faith, and the grace to convert from any falsehood. Pray to your Guardian Angel for this as well.
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Crazy beliefs of some Catholics
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2025, 08:12:48 PM »
Quote from: Freind on December 10, 2025, 05:38:31 PM
I thought this was a good topic to post this under..

I couldn't find anywhere in the system to disable my own account. (That is a common, standard feature.)

:facepalm:    This forum is SO CRINGE it's unbelievable. It's an embarrassment to be a member. 
What's so cringe? Frankly many of the beliefs on this forum are tame compared to what I've seen elsewhere.
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