Author Topic: Countries with longer catholic history (Read 1595 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** July 09, 2011, 10:50:08 AM »

Are they better places to live the faith in these times?
For example, are Italy and Spain more faith-friendly than Swiss or Sweden etc?

herbert · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2011, 11:12:21 AM »

i dont think any coiuntry is friendly to the church, not even vatican city

Daegus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2011, 11:20:50 AM »

I created a list of every place that has a Catholic majority population (exceeds 50%). Here you go:

- Andorra
- Argentina
- Aruba
- Austria
- Belgium
- Bolivia
- Brazil
- Burundi
- Cape Verde
- Chile
- Colombia
- Congo (Republic of and Democratic Republic of)
- Costa Rica
- Croatia
- Cuba
- Dominica
- Dominican Republic
- East Timor
- Ecuador
- Equatorial Guinea
- El Salvador
- France
- French Guiana
- Gabon
- Grenada
- Guadeloupe
- Guam
- Guatemala
- Haiti
- Honduras
- Hungary
- Ireland
- Italy
- Kiribati
- Lesotho
- Liechtenstein
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Martinique
- Mexico
- Monaco
- New Caledonia
- Nicaragua
- Panama
- Paraguay
- Peru
- Philippines
- Poland
- Portugal
- Puerto Rico
- Rwanda
- St. Lucia
- San Marino
- São Tomé and Príncipe
- Seychelles
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Vatican City
- Venezuela

Now.. Whether or not the Catholic faith is actually being upheld in ANY of these countries is a matter of another dispute..

herbert · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2011, 11:53:17 AM »

portugal would seem to be best place for catholic to live accoring to fatima apparition: "portugal the dogma of faith will always be preserved”

and yet i know portuguese guy who says the trad cath community there is very tiny

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:01:25 PM »

Ironically, the USA are probably the best country to live in, because it has the greatest density of traditionalists...well, maybe apart from France. But the latter has many issues which would make Catholic life more difficult, so I would probably shoot for the US, even though everything ruffles up inside me by merely thinking of such an paradox.

Edit: In case you are not sedevacantist/SSPX, then Liechtenstein would be probably an option, too...at least as long as Archbishop Haas is reigning there!

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:43:28 PM »

Sometimes a Country with a rich heritage tries to rebels against it's past just because it feels modern to do so. Then the more glorious the past, the more putrid is the present situation.
Maybe it is the reason why faith is not held in some Countries in the list.

Daegus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2011, 01:47:39 PM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

Sometimes a Country with a rich heritage tries to rebels against it's past just because it feels modern to do so. Then the more glorious the past, the more putrid is the present situation.
Maybe it is the reason why faith is not held in some Countries in the list.

Full scale apostasy is not the result of a juvenile rebellion. It goes much deeper than that. What we are experiencing today is the result of something very diabolical.

TheHarlequinKing · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2011, 01:12:39 AM »

Countries with long Catholic histories take the Faith for granted. "Familiarity breeds contempt", the saying goes. This isn't how it should be, but for example, Ireland is stereotypically Catholic but it's common enough for clergy and religious to have things thrown at them on the streets. (Now, they kinda brought it upon themselves since Ireland is the country with the worst sex abuse cases, but....)

A couple of exceptions to the above: Malta and Liechtenstein. Could be the rural factor at work there. Also, while the Philippines hasn't been Catholic for as long, Christendom is deeply ingrained there and not ridiculed like in developed European countries.

Daegus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2011, 05:34:27 AM »

I also didn't include Canada on the list, but it's not really even worth mentioning since the Catholic population is sitting exactly at 50% and it is probably fluctuating a lot, depending on which "Catholics" are deciding to stop faking and calling themselves Catholics and which ones are doing the opposite.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2011, 09:23:11 AM »

Quote from: herbert

portugal would seem to be best place for catholic to live accoring to fatima apparition: "portugal the dogma of faith will always be preserved”

and yet i know portuguese guy who says the trad cath community there is very tiny

There is much dispute over whether Our Lady actually said this. I believe this is the common erroneous quote when she really said, "Since the dogma of the faith is NOT preserved in Rome..." not that "the dogma of the Faith would always be preserved in Portugal."

herbert · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2011, 10:57:22 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: herbert
portugal would seem to be best place for catholic to live accoring to fatima apparition: "portugal the dogma of faith will always be preserved”

and yet i know portuguese guy who says the trad cath community there is very tiny

There is much dispute over whether Our Lady actually said this. I believe this is the common erroneous quote when she really said, "Since the dogma of the faith is NOT preserved in Rome..." not that "the dogma of the Faith would always be preserved in Portugal."

pft that pretty impressive mistranslation!

how did the word portugal get there? if you right that would clear up a glaring incosistency.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2011, 12:31:03 PM »

Gotta do some digging. I heard that quite a while ago.

Oh, it was from the supposed "third secret" floating around. Here's where you can read the text.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B352_Secret.html

"Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima."

Not sure if it's true or not, but it's something floating around out there.

herbert · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:39:31 PM »

tx pft i take a look