Author Topic: Could the world end on Sunday? (Read 3193 times)

gobosox91 · « **on:** April 23, 2014, 09:16:28 PM »

Because of the canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II? Making champions of Vatican II official saints? Would this be the time for Jesus to appear and start to judge the world? But then again, we did consider Christopher to be a saint, and I believe that he's been taken off the calendar... or is this a Vatican II Novus-Ordo move?

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2014, 10:55:22 PM »

The novus ordo church is not the Catholic Church, it is just an another
sect. Just like the Lutherans.
It makes no difference to me what those that occupy the Vatican does
this Sunday. No more than the head Lutheran church canonizes
arch heretic martin luther at the same time.
This Sunday will come and go like every other Sunday.
Attend the Traditional Mass.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2014, 11:00:19 PM »

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I'd just like to be sure everyone knows that I'm saying "goodbye" just in case, that it's been really great posting on CI and reading all the wonderful posts by other members here, and with these Newcanonizations that are an affront to God and a black mark on the Church's history, it could be the last straw, and God just might intervene to prevent it from happening. One way He could do that is to end the world before ZERO HOUR on Quasimodo or Low Sunday, Rome time (UTC+2).

But even if the world does not end, He might intervene in some other way so as to not only stop the Newcanonizations, but stop other things as well -- this could have the secondary effect of preventing some of us (or all of us) from posting here (or anywhere else on the Internet).

I have some geeky friends who tell me, when I say to them that the Internet might suddenly stop working one day: "Oh, no, that can't happen! The Internet is too big and it has too many servers, so it's here to stay!"

It seems they believe the Internet is somehow some kind of deity with eternal life or whatever. But I say, God allowed the Internet to come into existence and He could make the Internet go out of existence.

Imagine a future without the Internet (OH N-O-O-O-O-O-O! :scared2:), and you would have grandchildren that you'd gather around a campfire, and tell them the story of what it was like when the Internet was here, and all the questions they would have.

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RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2014, 11:21:17 PM »

I hope this is satire, and that you are not going to leave CI.
Despite what is going to happen this coming Sunday in the
small city state of the Vatican.
The True Church of Jesus Christ does not have to be housed in
500-1500 year old buildings.

Ambrose · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2014, 12:11:05 AM »

Quote from: gobosox91

Because of the canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II? Making champions of Vatican II official saints? Would this be the time for Jesus to appear and start to judge the world? But then again, we did consider Christopher to be a saint, and I believe that he's been taken off the calendar... or is this a Vatican II Novus-Ordo move?

I see this terrible scandal as one more milestone which clearly and publicly demonstrates that there is a sect that began under Paul VI. Many Catholics have incorrectly identified the Catholic Church and the sect as being one.

But with every act such as this, the clarity for Catholics only becomes stronger. It is absolutely impossible for a man such as John Paul II to be canonized. Only an antipope could perform such an act. A true Pope would be infallibly protected.

Petertherock · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2014, 01:35:06 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: gobosox91
Because of the canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II? Making champions of Vatican II official saints? Would this be the time for Jesus to appear and start to judge the world? But then again, we did consider Christopher to be a saint, and I believe that he's been taken off the calendar... or is this a Vatican II Novus-Ordo move?

I see this terrible scandal as one more milestone which clearly and publicly demonstrates that there is a sect that began under Paul VI. Many Catholics have incorrectly identified the Catholic Church and the sect as being one.

But with every act such as this, the clarity for Catholics only becomes stronger. It is absolutely impossible for a man such as John Paul II to be canonized. Only an antipope could perform such an act. A true Pope would be infallibly protected.

I agree with this. I am not even saying that JPII is in Hell...it may be possible that he is...but it's also possible that by a work of God's grace he was saved...but he certainly is not a pillar of what we Catholics should model ourselves after. Neither is John XXIII.

But there is still that other problem...if these canonizations are invalid as we believe they are...then so are the canonizations of Padre Pio and other real Saints who were Canonized since VII.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2014, 09:40:15 AM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

I hope this is satire, and that you are not going to leave CI.
Despite what is going to happen this coming Sunday in the
small city state of the Vatican.
The True Church of Jesus Christ does not have to be housed in
500-1500 year old buildings.

Still, it would be nice to reclaim those buildings [sigh].

ancien regime · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2014, 09:46:07 AM »

Quote from: Petertherock

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: gobosox91
Because of the canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II? Making champions of Vatican II official saints? Would this be the time for Jesus to appear and start to judge the world? But then again, we did consider Christopher to be a saint, and I believe that he's been taken off the calendar... or is this a Vatican II Novus-Ordo move?

I see this terrible scandal as one more milestone which clearly and publicly demonstrates that there is a sect that began under Paul VI. Many Catholics have incorrectly identified the Catholic Church and the sect as being one.

But with every act such as this, the clarity for Catholics only becomes stronger. It is absolutely impossible for a man such as John Paul II to be canonized. Only an antipope could perform such an act. A true Pope would be infallibly protected.

I agree with this. I am not even saying that JPII is in Hell...it may be possible that he is...but it's also possible that by a work of God's grace he was saved...but he certainly is not a pillar of what we Catholics should model ourselves after. Neither is John XXIII.

But there is still that other problem...if these canonizations are invalid as we believe they are...then so are the canonizations of Padre Pio and other real Saints who were Canonized since VII.

A real saint does not have to be officially canonized to be a real saint. It was not until 1634 that a papal bull formally reserved the canonization process to the Holy See. Before that time it was the local bishop who determined the worthiness of the veneration of a saint who was not a martyr. And that process usually started with the assessment of the local populace that the person was indeed worthy of veneration. So Rome's monopoly is relatively recent.

With the changes in the canonization process (like the changes in everything else), I, for one, realize that the Holy See is no longer to be trusted to render a true and infallible judgment--especially since they themselves no longer believe in even the possibility of anything being infallible.

That being said, it looks like we have to return to earlier practices. Trust in God and let Him sort it all out in the end.

Dolores · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2014, 11:54:52 AM »

Could the world end on Sunday? Yes.

Will the world end on Sunday? The answer is unknowable to anyone but God the Father, and speculating about it serves no purpose.

Joe Cupertino · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2014, 12:28:59 PM »

Maybe the question was tongue-in-cheek, but we've yet to see the reign of The Anti-Christ, the return of Enoch and Elias, and other things that must happen before the end of the world, so I wouldn't worry about this Sunday.

poche · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2014, 11:29:52 PM »

Could the world end on Sunday?
It might.
But then it could end thousands of years from now. Jesus said, "Not even the angels know the hour."
:furtive: :furtive: :furtive:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2014, 12:18:03 AM »

Quote from: ancien regime

Quote from: Petertherock
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: gobosox91
Because of the canonization of John XXIII and John Paul II? Making champions of Vatican II official saints? Would this be the time for Jesus to appear and start to judge the world? But then again, we did consider Christopher to be a saint, and I believe that he's been taken off the calendar... or is this a Vatican II Novus-Ordo move?

I see this terrible scandal as one more milestone which clearly and publicly demonstrates that there is a sect that began under Paul VI. Many Catholics have incorrectly identified the Catholic Church and the sect as being one.

But with every act such as this, the clarity for Catholics only becomes stronger. It is absolutely impossible for a man such as John Paul II to be canonized. Only an antipope could perform such an act. A true Pope would be infallibly protected.

I agree with this. I am not even saying that JPII is in Hell...it may be possible that he is...but it's also possible that by a work of God's grace he was saved...but he certainly is not a pillar of what we Catholics should model ourselves after. Neither is John XXIII.

But there is still that other problem...if these canonizations are invalid as we believe they are...then so are the canonizations of Padre Pio and other real Saints who were Canonized since VII.

Anyone who knew Padre Pio will assure you there isn't anything to worry about regarding whether he's a saint.
If you're looking for miracles, look no further. He worked many miracles every day. For Padre Pio, miracles were as natural as breathing is for you and me. They can't write enough books to cover them all. Most of them are still remembered only by word of mouth. Would you like to hear a few?

He told his spiritual children: "Pray, hope, and never worry."

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A real saint does not have to be officially canonized to be a real saint. It was not until 1634 that a papal bull formally reserved the canonization process to the Holy See. Before that time it was the local bishop who determined the worthiness of the veneration of a saint who was not a martyr. And that process usually started with the assessment of the local populace that the person was indeed worthy of veneration. So Rome's monopoly is relatively recent.

With the changes in the canonization process (like the changes in everything else), I, for one, realize that the Holy See is no longer to be trusted to render a true and infallible judgment--especially since they themselves no longer believe in even the possibility of anything being infallible.

That being said, it looks like we have to return to earlier practices. Trust in God and let Him sort it all out in the end.

As for returning to earlier practices, who's the local bishop that would dare make such a proclamation? Can you imagine +W or +Pivarunas pronouncing someone a saint? It would have to be a bishop with ordinary jurisdiction.

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Tyler · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2014, 12:34:55 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

.I'd just like to be sure everyone knows that I'm saying "goodbye" just in case, that it's been really great posting on CI and reading all the wonderful posts by other members here, and with these Newcanonizations that are an affront to God and a black mark on the Church's history, it could be the last straw, and God just might intervene to prevent it from happening. One way He could do that is to end the world before ZERO HOUR on Quasimodo or Low Sunday, Rome time (UTC+2).

But even if the world does not end, He might intervene in some other way so as to not only stop the Newcanonizations, but stop other things as well -- this could have the secondary effect of preventing some of us (or all of us) from posting here (or anywhere else on the Internet).

I have some geeky friends who tell me, when I say to them that the Internet might suddenly stop working one day: "Oh, no, that can't happen! The Internet is too big and it has too many servers, so it's here to stay!"

It seems they believe the Internet is somehow some kind of deity with eternal life or whatever. But I say, God allowed the Internet to come into existence and He could make the Internet go out of existence.

Imagine a future without the Internet (OH N-O-O-O-O-O-O! :scared2:), and you would have grandchildren that you'd gather around a campfire, and tell them the story of what it was like when the Internet was here, and all the questions they would have.

The internet going down on Sunday? That's not something I would think of, but it's definitely plausable. The heartbleed virus has already wreaked much havoc on the internet, and it wouldn't surprise me if something else brings the rest of the web down. About two weeks ago, I heard a public school teacher warn his classes to prepare for when the internet is gone. When his students gave him odd looks for questioning the eternality of the internet, he asked the students if they seriously believed that they would always have the internet, implying that he knew otherwise. The end may very well be approaching for the internet.

The world, on the other hand, likely has a bit longer. If Our Lord decides to intervene, he can smite Pope Francis. Not one other would need to be harmed, much less the entire world. Another possibility is that Our Lord will simply allow the canonizations as a consequence of the Church's actions following the Council. The chance of the world ending on Sunday is just as high as any other day. We can predict all we want, but only the Father knows the hour.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2014, 12:46:29 AM »

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After all this, it seems to me that we are ALL about to find out what can happen when the Holy See tempts God.

When the devil tempted Our Lord after He had fasted 40 days in the desert 1984 years ago, He said to him:

"Thou shalt not tempt
the Lord thy God"

(Matt. iv. 7; Deut. vi. 16).

Now, that wasn't one of the 10 Commandments, last time I checked. But if Jesus said it, it must be true. Just think of it this way: the Church has been wandering in the spiritual desert now for 44 years of the Newmass. And Catholics just finished fasting for 40 days of Lent.

And now, the Newchurch is getting ready to tempt Our Lord with Newcanonizations of Newsaints, and calling it, "WE DEFINE."

This looks like real trouble. And I don't mean maybe.

After Moses spent 40 days and 40 nights on the top of Mt. Sinai, when he came down with the original 10 Commandments, he did not like what he found there -- golden calf and all that. And tens of thousands of Israelites were killed that day. What do you suppose might happen this time? In the Book of Numbers when the people failed obstinately to remain faithful, the earth opened up and swallowed the unfaithful ones. Can we be absolutely sure there isn't a longstanding earthquake fault running under Bernini Square? Astronomers ought to keep an eye peeled for a rogue asteroid headed for Vatican City in a few days from now.

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glaston · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2014, 04:55:03 AM »

I read decades ago that the whole of the Rome/Vatican area sits on a thick layer of Black volcanic? glass!

Supposedly roughly 30ft or metres below street level.

Info seems to have been wiped off the internet in english!