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Offline Banezian

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2019, 05:54:05 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 21, 2019, 01:23:50 PM
Nope.  I've stated clearly that the particular quotes from +Lefebvre are indeed objectively heretical.  He wrongly believes that he's upholding "no salvation outside the Church" by reformulating it as "no salvation except by means of the Church."  But it's clear that +Lefebvre never gave the question much thought and was merely parroting back something he was taught in seminary.

Banezian on the other hand manifested his heresy by declaring that formal schismatics and heretics are closer to Catholicism than conservative Novus Ordites who profess the Catholic faith.  And he is pertinacious in this heresy after having been called out and corrected about it.
Well Bp. Williamson called Vladimir Putin ( a Russian Orthodox Christian) a “follower of Christ” If a Resistance bishop says that, I think I’m safe on Cathinfo.  This is a Resistance forum after all.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2019, 06:02:12 PM »
Quote from: Banezian on January 21, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
Well Bp. Williamson called Vladimir Putin ( a Russian Orthodox Christian) a “follower of Christ” If a Resistance bishop says that, I think I’m safe on Cathinfo.  This is a Resistance forum after all.
Once again you turn to 20th century personages that agree with what you believe. Find yourself a Father of the Church, a Doctor, a saint, a dogma. Personages like Garrigou-Lagrange, Abp L, Bp. Williamson are just persons that can make mistakes. You don't see anyone here saying that they believe in the strict EENS because of Fr. Feeney, do you? Only a lazy person who only scratches the surface would talk that way, or a person just seeking personages that agree with what they believe.
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Offline Banezian

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2019, 06:13:57 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 21, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Once again you turn to 20th century personages for your source of knowledge about the faith.
Find yourself a saint a Father of the Church, a doctor, saint, a dogma. Personages like Garrigou-Lagrange, Abp L, Bp. Williamson are just persons that can make mistakes. You don't see anyone here saying that they believe in EENS because of Fr. Feeney, do you? Only a person who scratches the surface would thing that way, or a person just seeking personages that agree with what they believe.
I wasn’t making an argument with the last post. I don’t care if you disagree with me, but you have no basis for calling me a non -Catholic. Here’s what Pius IX says on EENS
“We all know that those who are afflicted with invincible ignorance with regard to our holy religion, if they carefully keep the precepts of the natural law that have been written by God in the hearts of men, if they are prepare to obey God, and if they lead a virtuous and dutiful life, can attain eternal life by the power of divine light and grace” 

Here’s what Tanquerey says
“The Baptism of Desire. Contrition, or perfect charity, with at least an implicit desire for Baptism, supplies in adults the place of the baptism of water as respects the forgiveness of sins.
This is certain.
Explanation: a) An implicit desire for Baptism, that is, one that is included in a general purpose of keeping all the commandments of God is, as all agree, sufficient in one who is invincibly ignorant of the law of Baptism; likewise, according to the more common opinion, in one who knows the necessity of Baptism.
b) Perfect charity, with a desire for Baptism, forgives original sin and actual sins, and therefore infuses sanctifying grace; but it does not imprint the Baptismal character and does not of itself remit the whole temporal punishment due for sin; whence, when the Unity offers, the obligation remains on
one who was sanctified in this manner of receiving the Baptism of water.” 

That’s  all Garrigou, ABL, etc are saying. No one is saying that one can be saved outside of or withou the Church. Fathers, Doctors, and saints are not the only sources Catholics look to for theology. Again, whether you disagree with me is of little importance. I follow well-regarded pre-Vatican II theologians, so you have no right to call me a non-Catholic.  

When I say Traditional Orthodox or Anglo-Catholics are closer to us than “conservative” Novus Ordos, I’m speaking about theology, not communion. Again, I’m not responsible for your inability to make distinctions.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2019, 08:46:34 PM »
Quote from: Banezian on January 21, 2019, 06:13:57 PM
I wasn’t making an argument with the last post. I don’t care if you disagree with me, but you have no basis for calling me a non -Catholic. Here’s what Pius IX says on EENS
“We all know that those who are afflicted with invincible ignorance with regard to our holy religion, if they carefully keep the precepts of the natural law that have been written by God in the hearts of men, if they are prepare to obey God, and if they lead a virtuous and dutiful life, can attain eternal life by the power of divine light and grace”

Here’s what Tanquerey says
“The Baptism of Desire. Contrition, or perfect charity, with at least an implicit desire for Baptism, supplies in adults the place of the baptism of water as respects the forgiveness of sins.
This is certain.
Explanation: a) An implicit desire for Baptism, that is, one that is included in a general purpose of keeping all the commandments of God is, as all agree, sufficient in one who is invincibly ignorant of the law of Baptism; likewise, according to the more common opinion, in one who knows the necessity of Baptism.
b) Perfect charity, with a desire for Baptism, forgives original sin and actual sins, and therefore infuses sanctifying grace; but it does not imprint the Baptismal character and does not of itself remit the whole temporal punishment due for sin; whence, when the Unity offers, the obligation remains on
one who was sanctified in this manner of receiving the Baptism of water.”

That’s  all Garrigou, ABL, etc are saying. No one is saying that one can be saved outside of or withou the Church. Fathers, Doctors, and saints are not the only sources Catholics look to for theology. Again, whether you disagree with me is of little importance. I follow well-regarded pre-Vatican II theologians, so you have no right to call me a non-Catholic.  

When I say Traditional Orthodox or Anglo-Catholics are closer to us than “conservative” Novus Ordos, I’m speaking about theology, not communion. Again, I’m not responsible for your inability to make distinctions.
Smorgasbord religion. The writer thinks he invented sliced bread. 
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Offline Banezian

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2019, 09:46:23 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 21, 2019, 08:46:34 PM
Smorgasbord religion. The writer thinks he invented sliced bread.
No friend, it’s just that you’re  incapable of making distinctions
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