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Author Topic: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?  (Read 14082 times)

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Offline trad123

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Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2019, 01:00:54 AM »
If there are individuals in the state of grace, professing a religion other than the Catholic religion, necessarily the Church of Christ extends beyond the Catholic Church. 
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2019, 01:41:34 AM »
Quote from: Banezian on January 22, 2019, 12:33:22 AM
Not what I’m saying. I’m done arguing this. We’ve done this many times before.
That is because the writer's belief is only what he believes, it is all made up from different teachings, like Frankenstein was put together from different human beings. It is what every Protestant does, their beliefs being the "doctrine" of that one person. All it is, is rationalizing what they already believe. By the same method one can rationalize becoming an Eastern Orthodox today as a reaction to Vatican II,  getting an annulment from an SSPX "invalid schismatic wedding", living a "godly" monogamous ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage...…...  

The only solution to avoid falling into that pit of hell, is for the writer to accept dogma as it is clearly written, or to follow the complete teaching of one Father of the Church, Doctor, Saint that has not been condemned.

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2019, 02:02:30 AM »
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If they profess it in ignorance they can be saved
Major - All men have an obligation to serve God, which is why they were created and the only way they can get to heaven.  

Minor 1 - There is only one way to serve God, which is in His Catholic religion.  

Minor 2 -  As Scripture teaches:  God wills that all men be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth.  

Minor 3 - There is only one Truth, which is contained in the Catholic religion only and completely.

Conclusion - If a man dies not knowing of the Catholic Faith then he has only himself to blame for his ignorance and this ignorance is sinful and damning, because all men have an obligation to seek God and His Truths, which God will provide and enlighten as He has infallibly promised.  

All those who know of the Catholic Faith, yet cling to error and false religions, are also ignorant due to their sinful omission and sinful sloth, since God desires all men to be saved and provides billions of actual graces to every man during his lifetime for the purpose of his salvation.  

There is no such thing as invincible ignorance or excusable ignorance.  All men who aren’t Catholic aren’t so of their own choosing.  All men who are in hell (Catholic and non Catholic) are there of their own choosing.  
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Offline trad123

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Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2019, 02:03:33 AM »
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/docuмents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

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Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ.

The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation.

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Could the British Prime Minister be a Daily Rosary Saying, Tridentine Mass fan?
« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2019, 09:23:09 AM »
Trad123, stop posting V2 garbage or else i'll start a petition to get you banned.  If you want to read V2 heresies, go someplace else.


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If there are individuals in the state of grace, professing a religion other than the Catholic religion, necessarily the Church of Christ extends beyond the Catholic Church.
No one outside the Church can be in the state of grace.  It's impossible.  If they've never been baptized, then they have Original Sin on their souls (at least...most catholics have trouble with mortal sin, how can someone who doesn't have the help of mass/sacraments avoid mortal sins?  Extremely unlikely)

If they were formerly catholic or baptized protestant and are now NOT catholic, then they have the grave sin of heresy on their souls for rejecting the Faith.
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