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Offline Jovita

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Maybe if Pope Leo had just ignored Luther, we would never have had the reformation. By ignoring the dubia Bergoglio may just be stemming another schism.


Offline Neil Obstat

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  • Maybe if Pope Leo had just ignored Luther, we would never have had the reformation. By ignoring the dubia Bergoglio may just be stemming another schism.
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    Ignoring Luther would not have helped. It's better to make scandal known than to pretend it doesn't exist.
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    But Francis trying to ignore the Dubia is only making his problems worse because everyone can see he's trying to hide the truth.
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    We might not have long to go before the Moslem horde overruns his little fiefdom.
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    We might not have long to go before the Moslem horde overruns his little fiefdom.

    The Secret of la Salette predicts, in symbolic words, that the Vatican will be attacked by Mohammedans. It will be the chastisement of the counterfeit Church.

    One of my friends was formerly a novus ordite seminarian, and since he was very troubled by the Church crisis and the pseudo "excommunication" of Archbishop Lefebvre, he decided one day to make a pilgrimage to la Salette. He had heard about the Secret, and he wanted to know its content, because he knew that it alluded to the end times and he had the feeling that
    the Secret explained the Church crisis. He was talking of this project with a friend of him, and as soon as his decision was made, he heard a man shouting his name. It was a beggar, crossing the road obliquely while shouting. He knew this man because he used to take care of a "Christian café", "un café chrétien", as was called in France. The man had no knowledge of his location but God miraculously guided him, and when my friend asked him the reason of his coming and why he was crossing the road in such a dangerous way, the beggar replied that he was praying in the Church of Saint Rita (in Nice), when God told him to grab a brochure hanging on the wall and to hand it to "Éric" (my friend). This brochure was from a former butcher, who organized a pilgrimage to la Salette on foot! Éric and his seminarian friend were astonished, and when they told their modernist superiors about it, the latter felt forced to approve the pilgrimage.

    Éric fasted roughly with the other pilgrims, during several days. They did not eat any food in a day, except in the midway point of the pilgrimage. When Éric reached the hill of la Salette, a man was asking every pilgrim he met whether they were "the man [he] was waiting for". This man asked it to Éric, telling him that he had been informed by God about the coming of a man who was willing to know about the secret of la Salette; and he had to stay here, in order to inform him about the way to get the Secret (the modernists did not propose it in la Salette, and still do not sell any book including the whole text), and the way to understand it; then he had to leave because he had to take the train and come back home. Éric said "yes", but when the man revealed him the true meaning of the Secret, he had doubts, he feared to get misled by the devil, and he answered "I must first salute Our Lady". He went to the statue, and suddenly, a heavy fog fell. He was not able to see anything, except the man waiting for him beneath, a few tens of meters away. He was in a globe of light, and a ray of light linked him to the man. He felt a great feeling of peace, ease and comfort. After some moment, he decided to come back to speak with the man, and the latter told him where he could buy a book including the whole text of the Secret (there was not internet at that time!).

    During the night, Éric was not able to sleep, and he wished to pray before the statue of Our Lady outside. He went outside, and he was very impressed by this heavenly place, this mountain scenery. He prayed before the statue, and suddenly, Our Lady gave him an intuitive knowledge of the Church crisis, through the mind, without any words.

    He was told several things:

    -Wojtyla was not a true pope but an infiltrated Mason.
    -He was a monster of iniquity and is refered to as the "forerunner of the Antichrist" in the Secret.
    -Paul VI had been replaced with a double and his double had been buried in his place, while the true Pope was still [and is still] alive.
    -Paul VI would only come back after several dozens of years, to excommunicate the modernist clergy.
    -Wojtyla would be praised and invalidly canonized by the false Church.
    -The Vatican would be attacked by the Mohammedans, as a chastisement.
    etc.


    The Secret of la Salette reads: "Tremble, earth, and you who proclaim yourselves as serving Jesus Christ and who, on the inside, only adore yourselves, tremble, for God will hand you over to His enemy, because the holy places are in a state of corruption."


    In the Apocalypse, the earth alludes to the false Church. Therefore, when Our Lady says "God will hand you over to His enemy", it truly means that the Vatican will be attacked by the Mohammedans.

    If the testimony of Éric Faure did not support Paul VI's survival, many more trads would know about it; but sadly we are seen as fools. However I have another friend who had exactly the same experience, in San Damiano. He was also in the modernist Church and when tried to understand the truth. When he came to that place of pilgrimage Our Lady also gave him an intuitive knowledge of the Church crisis, including Paul VI's survival.


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  • Sorry for the typing errors, I cannot modify the message any longer.

    Offline Maria Regina

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  • Interesting, so if the genuine Paul VI is still alive, then how old would he be?

    There is the feast of the Seven Holy Youths of Ephesus who were buried alive in a cave in which they were hiding when Roman soldiers had pursued them during the Roman persecution. Our Lord kept them alive, and allowed them to sleep from which they awoke almost two centuries later after the persecution had ended. Not only were they unharmed, but their clothes remained intact. This miracle was done to prove the General Resurrection to those who had begun to doubt.

    For pictures of Ephesus and the Caves: https://www.kusadasi.biz/ephesus/seven-sleepers.html.

    See also this Catholic site:
    http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/the-holy-seven-youths-and-martyrs-of-ephesus.1816/
    Lord have mercy.


    Offline Amakusa

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  • He would be 120 years old, which is naturally possible. I know a priest who has seen him in Fatima in 2007, when he was already 110 years old. He has even talked with him and has left the modernist Church following this meeting.

    I didn't know about the Seven Holy Youths, that's interesting.

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  • He would be 120 years old, which is naturally possible. I know a priest who has seen him in Fatima in 2007, when he was already 110 years old. He has even talked with him and has left the modernist Church following this meeting.

    I didn't know about the Seven Holy Youths, that's interesting.

    How does this priest KNOW it was him that he saw and not some other old man that vaguely resembles him?  After all, he's aged 40+ years since.

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  • Interesting, so if the genuine Paul VI is still alive, then how old would he be?

    There is the feast of the Seven Holy Youths of Ephesus who were buried alive in a cave in which they were hiding when Roman soldiers had pursued them during the Roman persecution. Our Lord kept them alive, and allowed them to sleep from which they awoke almost two centuries later after the persecution had ended. Not only were they unharmed, but their clothes remained intact. This miracle was done to prove the General Resurrection to those who had begun to doubt.

    For pictures of Ephesus and the Caves: https://www.kusadasi.biz/ephesus/seven-sleepers.html.

    See also this Catholic site:
    http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/the-holy-seven-youths-and-martyrs-of-ephesus.1816/

    Yes, obviously nothing is impossible with God.  Yet I have not seen any conclusive evidence that this is the case with Paul VI.  What?  Some alleged revelations in an exorcism?  Devil has been known to lie from time to time.  An alleged sighting by some unknown priest? Got anything else?


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    If the testimony of Éric Faure did not support Paul VI's survival, many more trads would know about it; but sadly we are seen as fools.

    Very interesting story.

    The first i've ever heard of Paul VI still being alive was 3 months ago on this site.  I was offered no proof, story or context of why he was still alive.  When I asked for more information I was chastised as an idiot.  The point is, those who believe in the Paul VI thesis don't explain it very well, its origin or purpose.  So, yes, you might be seen as foolish because the lack of explanation doesn't help your theory.

    Could it happen?  Sure, anything is possible with God.  But I love to read prophecies, any prophecy, even books about them and i've never heard of any of them proclaiming a pope to come out of hiding after 120 years.  It could still happen but there are so many prophecies for our times (great monarch, angelic pope, 3 days of darkness, etc) and they are all consistent, and they are repeated over and over again.  The Paul VI prophecy doesn't fit this model, that's my point.

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  • Luther's attack against the Church was a revolt against God, Francis Bergolio is the continuation of that revolt, and so, this dubia is just a weak protest against this enemy of the Faith. No reasonable comparison can be made.

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    Re: Could the 'dubia' be considered the Catholic equivalent of the 95 theses?
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 10:57:58 AM »
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  • Actually there IS much material, for I have written several books on the subject; but people simply don't read them. Most of my books are available in English, at least partially, and for free! The only book I have not translated is the one about dogmatic theology, whose purpose is to refute the thesis of Bishop Guérard des Lauriers and sedevacantism, but above all to give evidence about Paul VI's survival, based on the argument that Paul VI is the last pope peacefully and universally accepted by the whole Church, and that since his election, the Church made no effort to elect a legitimate pope (peacefully and universally accepted); therefore he is infallibly alive. But I know that you reject this argument and my conclusion.

    Ladislaus, when this priest saw Pope Paul VI, he did not recognize him because he was very troubled by this unexpected meeting, and Paul VI was not meant to be alive. However, some time later, he found a picture of him in a missal and he recognized his face. Moreover, one day an idea came to my mind about the way to check whether it was truly Paul VI or not: I had seen a speech of Paul VI in French on youtube, the speech before the U.N. I said to myself: what about showing this recording to the priest? When listening, he may be able to recognize the voice... I proposed it to him, and in the beginning he was not sure whether he would be able to remember his voice, seven years later; but when he heard the recording, he was astonished: he immediately recognized it. He also told me that he wanted to phone her secretary, because she was with him when they met Paul VI. We phoned her, and when she heard the testimony, she had so much emotion that she experienced skin rash.

    Moreover, when this priest met Paul VI, though the latter was dressed in a common black cassock, he behaved as a pope: he took his right hand in his two hands (it was a custom of Paul VI), and he gave him an order: you must say the tridentine Mass. The priest clearly told me that he had experienced it as an order: it was very firm, and he understood that the man had a jurisdiction over him.

    Pax Vobis, the objection you are raising is interesting, for most of the prophecies related to the "Great Monarch" come from a collection of false predictions called the "Mirabilis Liber": my friend Éric Faure is a specialist of medieval prophecies, and he has explained in French books that there has been a falsification of those prophecies over time. I believe that the "Great Monarch" theory is one of the main thing that prevented the Catholics from believing in Paul VI's survival. In the beginning it was popularized by Jean Marty and the marquis de la Franquerie, who both believed in Paul VI's survival, especially Jean Marty. The latter had even understood that Paul VI would be deposed and would flee in exile, but sadly, he mixed it with the "Great Monarch" idea; and from the two things, the Catholics retained the error (the Great Monarch idea), and rejected the truth.

    In France, the books of Jean Marty have been rather popular among Catholic trads: "Veillez et priez car l'heure est proche"; but all those people who have read them believe in the Great Monarch thing at best, and rarely in Paul VI's survival.

    You know that I am French and I should be glad to believe that we will have a Great Monarch; but I tend to think that it is false, for several reasons:

    -Most of the prophecies announcing it come from the Mirabilis Liber ;
    -Several authentic prophecies have been falsified (for instance we know that Maximin of la Salette was manipulated by royalist men in some of his writings) ;
    -Several prophecies of Marie-Julie Jahenny did not occur, at a time where they were meant to occur...

    There are indeed several private prophecies about Paul VI's survival, not only the Swiss exorcisms:

    -The Bayside revelations, before they became false in 1978, kept announcing that Paul VI would be deposed and come into exile; and after 1978, as a matter of fact, the number of apparitions collapsed.
    (for those who believe that the Bayside apparitions have always became false, I must say that you shoud hear about the miraculous photography of Cardinal Benelli, and the fulfilled prophecies)
    The Swiss exorcisms said that the Bayside apparitions had became false, and the reason was that Veronica Lueken disobeyed God: one day she was told to remain in her house, and she did not respect this order.

    -The Necedah revelations said the same thing.
    (the idiocies about aliens do not come from the seer, for the revelations ended in 1975: the seer clearly stated that she would not receive any other revelations)

    -The prophecy of Jacinta of Fatima mentions the year 1972 and great sufferings falling upon the Pope (1972 is the date of Paul VI's replacement with a double).

    -The prophecy of Teresa Musco includes exactly the SAME date.

    -Several private revelations I have mentioned in my books announced Paul VI's exile, for instance an American woman called "Valérie Noble". 


    On this forum, you have spoken about the work of Father Kramer on the Apocalypse... Well, I have written a book (available in English) explaining that the commentary of Father Kramer fits Paul VI's survival. I have added my own commentaries, in the light of the current situation of the Church.

    The chapter which I have understood the best is chapter 12.

    Here is my summary:

    In the Apocalypse, heaven symbolizes the Church, the angels symbolize bishops, stars symbolize priests,etc. In chapter XII, all angels are gathered in heaven and fight with each other: it represents an Oecuмenical council (Vatican II), during which bishops will be divided between the good and the bad. The “tail”, in Holy Scriptures, alludes to false prophets with their false doctrines, as opposed to the “head”, which represents good prophets and worthy priests. Therefore, when it is written “and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth”, it means that the dragon (Satan) deceives the Catholic priests and bishops with false doctrines, and they fall from heaven: they are no longer members of the Church, either because they are in mortal sin, either because they apostatize.
    The “woman” depicts the Church, since the Blessed Virgin is the Mother of the Church. Her son is the Pope, who is elected by the Church. He has an iron rod, representing the separation of the good from the wicked in Holy Scriptures. It describes the Martyr Pope of the end times, and through him, the model of a worthy pope. This Martyr Pope “was taken up to God, and to his throne.” The throne is an allusion to chapter IV, where the throne of God symbolizes the Catholic Church hierarchy, especially the papacy (see my book). Thus, this image means that the Martyr Pope will be given back to the Church after the mystical death of his exile, just like Christ who was given back to His Father after His Death on the Cross.
    There are two refuges of the woman during each battle of the dragon: the battle in heaven, and the battle on earth. It depicts two exiles of the Pope: the first during the reign of the Great Harlot (the false Church), and the second during the reign of the Antichrist.
    The dragon expelled from heaven symbolizes the excommunication of the modernist clergy; and in order to indicate us the identity of he who will excommunicate this clergy, the Apocalypse tells us: “the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.” It alludes to Joshuah the high priest who was accused by Satan, when he came back from the Babylonian captivity and restored the Jєωιѕн theocracy, just like Pope Paul VI who will come back from the present captivity and who will restore the Catholic theocracy. The latter has been imprisoned in the Vatican until July 12th 1981, which means that he has gone through the captivity of a new Babylon (the false Church), just like Joshuah the high priest who went through the Babylonian captivity. We, as Catholics, are also living in captivity, because the false Church is oppressing us.
    The reappearance of the Martyr Pope is compared with the Last Judgment in chapter XIV, because the excommunication he will pronounce will be the last great separation on earth, just as the Last Judgment will be the last separation in heaven.


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    Re: Could the 'dubia' be considered the Catholic equivalent of the 95 theses?
    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 11:26:45 AM »
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  • Your summary at the end there, is quite interesting.  However, I find the following quote of yours problematic:

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    The latter had even understood that Paul VI would be deposed and would flee in exile, but sadly, he mixed it with the "Great Monarch" idea; and from the two things, the Catholics retained the error (the Great Monarch idea), and rejected the truth.
    Prophecy isn't about error vs truth.  It's prophecy; it's a fortelling of what MIGHT occur.  Many times it's dependent upon humanity's actions.  For you to suggest that prophecy has to do with truth, in the sense that it can be proven beforehand, is nonsense.  If prophecy could be proven ahead of time, then it wouldn't be prophecy.  I think you should tone down your rhetoric and attitude a bit.  None of us knows with certainty what is going to happen.  It's interesting to study and can help us to be more spiritually focused but it's not at the level of "error vs truth" that you make it out to be.

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    Re: Could the 'dubia' be considered the Catholic equivalent of the 95 theses?
    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 11:44:32 AM »
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  • What I meant is that the so-called "prophecies" he refered to were actually nothing but forgery...

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Could the 'dubia' be considered the Catholic equivalent of the 95 theses?
    « Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 12:41:59 PM »
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  • Ven Bartholomew Holzhauser, in his 7 ages of the Church, talks of a great monarch and a holy pope and a period of peace.  Do you not believe in his prophecies either?  He was German.

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    Re: Could the 'dubia' be considered the Catholic equivalent of the 95 theses?
    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 01:20:04 PM »
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  • Well it was not a prophecy, but his own interpretation of the Apocalypse. He did not receive any revelation from God about that. By the way, his book includes many errors. The book of Father Kramer is much better.