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Offline curiouscatholic23

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could i become an undercover mason?
« on: September 12, 2011, 12:59:58 PM »
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  • Im thinking about joining the local lodge by my house for the purpose of collecting intel and infiltrating their organization. I know previous popes have said that its a mortal sin to be a mason, but what if my INTENT is to destroy the masons?

    Once I would collect intel on them and move through the ranks, I would deliberately try to run the Masonic organization off a cliff by poor leadership, creating chaos within the group, promoting different cliques within the lodge so there is a lot of infighting, destroy the reputations of masonic members, secretly exposing them, etc etc.

    Has anyone else thought about doing this or am I just crazy? In a perfect world I would work for a foreign catholic government that would have supported me and acutally benefited from my intel (i.e. Franco's Spain/Pinochet's Chile) but I dont know of such a government still in existence.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 12, 2011, 01:13:51 PM »
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  • With all the ways they have to dig up information on people, just by you making this post, I'm pretty sure they could figure you out in short order.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    could i become an undercover mason?
    « Reply #2 on: September 12, 2011, 01:15:39 PM »
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  • It's a sin to join the masons, as it is to join any occult oganization.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 12, 2011, 01:19:58 PM »
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  • What can I say -- your heart is in the right place, but yes, you're crazy.

    You can't fight the devil with the devil's weapons. They don't work against him.

    Have you ever played a video game where a "Dark Sword" doesn't work, or doesn't do much, against the bad guy? Because he's of darkness, and the sword is of darkness?

    Well, let's just say that's VERY realistic and applies to real life as well.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 12, 2011, 01:21:16 PM »
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  • You'd get found out pretty quickly and would NOT advance far at all.

    Besides, what makes you think you could possibly do this on your own? Do you honestly believe the Masons aren't smart enough to prevent such a thing from happening?
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    « Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 01:24:50 PM »
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  • Besides, you couldn't (as a Catholic) do the actions required to "rise through the ranks" beyond maybe the 5th or 6th degree.

    You can't do an intrinsically sinful act (e.g., blasphemy) even if you think good may come of it.

    And saving the whole world would not be a big enough excuse to commit one venial sin against God.

    We humans have little grasp of the true horror of sin.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 12, 2011, 01:37:21 PM »
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  • CC- that's funny- I've thought the same exact thing. But I came to the conclusion (apart from it being wrong, in and of itself, as Matt and Daegus have pointed out) that it would be a waste of time.

    If you think about it, the ranks of Masonry where you'd have any true impact or change, would be the highest ranks. And unless you got millions and millions ($), and have the ability to do any real change anyways, you probably wouldn't get very far. I think that the lower ranking Mason positions are just a farce. I doubt many of the higher ups were truly low-ranking for very long. It was probably just a formality for them.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 12, 2011, 03:07:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    Im thinking about joining the local lodge by my house for the purpose of collecting intel and infiltrating their organization. I know previous popes have said that its a mortal sin to be a mason, but what if my INTENT is to destroy the masons?

    Once I would collect intel on them and move through the ranks, I would deliberately try to run the Masonic organization off a cliff by poor leadership, creating chaos within the group, promoting different cliques within the lodge so there is a lot of infighting, destroy the reputations of masonic members, secretly exposing them, etc etc.

    Has anyone else thought about doing this or am I just crazy? In a perfect world I would work for a foreign catholic government that would have supported me and acutally benefited from my intel (i.e. Franco's Spain/Pinochet's Chile) but I dont know of such a government still in existence.




    Do you really think that you can just join a masonic lodge and they will just be sitting around sipping drinks and talking about ways to infiltrate the Catholic church?

    You could probably find a Mason on the street and start going off about the pre-VII infiltration and he would probably have no idea what you were talking about.

    This is what happens when one presumes to be an expert after reading a few internet articles, and some Michael Hoffman + cathinfo threads.





    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #8 on: September 12, 2011, 03:36:17 PM »
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  • Yeah, it wouldn't work. Freemasons are clever people, they wouldn't fall for something like that. Besides, it's a sin to join a Freemasonic lodge.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Catholic Samurai

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    « Reply #9 on: September 12, 2011, 03:53:01 PM »
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  • You're a fool.

    No one can gain any significant intel from those organizations, unless it is given them by a convert who wants out.

    If you joined the lodge or any similar groups you would lose your soul and any good intention that you previously had in the beginning.

    But that's supposing you actually hit gold in your life long venture.

    The fact that many masonic lodges invite NON-masonic guest speakers to give lectures on the history of masonry and masonic lore at their lodges tells you quite a bit about the ignorance of many of it's members.  Stupendous, but true.
    "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

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    « Reply #10 on: September 12, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »
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  • Sheesh, everyones pretty harsh on curiouscatholic here. The man has a zealous heart for the Faith. He's thinking of daring ways to destroy evil and its malicious tentacles, yet we just crap all over his ideas.

    Two ways to take it though...all the posters are just being real with him out of Catholic charity and "being real" with him as a brother in Christ, not as some spectator. Or two, you are all being corndogs (no cursing, no cursing) and sissies with no backbone for militant traditional Catholicism. I lean towards option 1 LOL, but I digress.

    Curiouscatholic, in my opinion, the masons are quite diabolical and will have you had at some point because you'll have to slice the head off a Pope standup doll or engage in sodomy with one of the members at some point... so why even bother to start. My heart would sink if I had to do such things to "be part of the group". SO my recommendation is don't do it, and actually just pray Rosaries to ward their attacks on the Church into being futile or put St. Benedict medals all around their "houses".


    Over and out.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 12, 2011, 04:01:41 PM »
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  • Swearing false oaths is sinful.  Can't do it!  Sorry.


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    « Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 04:02:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Swearing false oaths is sinful.  Can't do it!  Sorry.



    All the stuff you would have to do and out of all of them you are worried about THAT?!  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 04:06:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Samurai
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Swearing false oaths is sinful.  Can't do it!  Sorry.



    All the stuff you would have to do and out of all of them you are worried about THAT?!  :laugh1:


    I was thinking the same thing. Swearing false oaths would be the least of his offenses if he were to join Maonsry.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2011, 09:06:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    What can I say -- your heart is in the right place, but yes, you're crazy.

    You can't fight the devil with the devil's weapons. They don't work against him.

    Have you ever played a video game where a "Dark Sword" doesn't work, or doesn't do much, against the bad guy? Because he's of darkness, and the sword is of darkness?

    Well, let's just say that's VERY realistic and applies to real life as well.


    Final Fantasy IV where the Dark Knight Cecil has to become a Paladin(Holy Knight) to defeat the evil Golbez and save the world.