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Offline Conspiracy_Factist

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« on: March 15, 2015, 03:40:27 PM »
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  • my good friend who I converted from   atheism has fallen into following these heretics
    Armor of God
    one of their strange beliefs is it's wrong to  celebrate Easter, they follow the holidays like passover ,it's hard getting through to him so any help on this matter   would be helpful in trying to wake him up to this specific issue as to why we don't celebrate passover


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    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 04:01:30 PM »
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  • CF, even if this friend of yours had converted from atheism to traditional Catholicism, it would not have been you who converted him.

    You only THINK you converted him.

    It is only God who changes hearts, and this fellow has not had a change of heart  if he rejects Easter, which is the very pivot around which Christianity turns.

    You need to fast and pray in order for him to convert.
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    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2015, 04:37:28 PM »
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  • Get to the root of the problem by getting the book "Where we got the Bible." The Bible came from the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the Roman Catholic Church. Once he understands that fact, the details will fall into place.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2015, 04:52:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Conspiracy_Factist
    my good friend who I converted from   atheism has fallen into following these heretics
    Armor of God
    one of their strange beliefs is it's wrong to  celebrate Easter, they follow the holidays like passover ,it's hard getting through to him so any help on this matter   would be helpful in trying to wake him up to this specific issue as to why we don't celebrate passover


    If he is following a Protestant belief, you can show him a chart of who started the Protestant religions and where they were started.

    Jesus Christ started the Roman Catholic religion.  All Protestant religions were started much later... And by men, not by God.  If he tries to say something like "the Catholic religion became corrupted and this person purified it", then point out the Scriptural phrase where Jesus says, "thou art Peter (i.e. Rock) and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it", meaning no corruption will ever overcome the Catholic Church.  So their claim of "purifying" the Church by starting a new religion is false.  The new religion is just leading souls to hell since Jesus says, "I am the Truth and the light.  No one goes to the Father except through the Son."  He also says, "the road to Heaven is narrow and few find it, but the road to hell is broad and many find it."

    Find out just what his religion believes and then find the Catholic response to these errors.  Bottom line:  the Bible came from the Catholic Church.  She wrote it, so only She can interpret it.  She is incorruptible and will never fail.  She comes from Christ, through His apostles.  She has only one faith.  One, Holy, Catholic (I.e for all people), Apostolic Church

    Give your friend a Miraculous medal and/or a Green Scapular and say the respective prayer every day.  (O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.  Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.) Only with Grace will the heretic, schismatic, pagan, etc be able to convert.  Pray for him every day.

    God bless you,
    M.E.

    I just saw Cera's comment.  The book she recommends is very good.  Rev. Henry Graham, the author, was a convert.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2015, 07:25:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    CF, even if this friend of yours had converted from atheism to traditional Catholicism, it would not have been you who converted him.

    You only THINK you converted him.

    It is only God who changes hearts, and this fellow has not had a change of heart  if he rejects Easter, which is the very pivot around which Christianity turns.

    You need to fast and pray in order for him to convert.

    I know I helped with his rejection of atheism always with the help of the Holy Ghost, call it what you  like,he's changed but now needs specific arguements to convert him to the true faith ,specifically why we don't celebrate passover


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    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2015, 07:31:06 PM »
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    Get to the root of the problem by getting the book "Where we got the Bible." The Bible came from the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the Roman Catholic Church. Once he understands that fact, the details will fall into place.
    yes him a excellent book that I gave him the link to, but he just didn't want to read it , he's at a stage now where I have to hit him at a different angle, not easy but for some reason this sect he follows struck a cord with him , about the feast days that the Jєωs followed, I told him that the Church that Christ started had the power to start new holidays..ie Christmas and Easter which you would think every  Christian would believe but apparently not

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    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2015, 07:56:02 PM »
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  • Well, you might want to mention how to follow those feast days now are unnecessary because they were all in expectation of Jesus Christ, who is the Messiah. To follow those and other precepts laid out before the fulfillment of the Law would be akin to saying that one still expects a Messiah, which of course is blasphemy. The Church recognizes that, that is why it is outlawed for anyone to observe those feast days with the intention of an Old Testament Jєω. Which, frankly put, is to not observe these feasts at all.

    For example, why is it unnecessary to follow Passover? Well, Jesus Christ, in His bloody Sacrifice at Golgotha, became the Lamb without blemish. The lamb in Passover was superseded by Jesus Christ, Agnus Dei, the Perfect and Spotless Sacrifice. Thus, there is no reason to keep killing lambs in expectation of a Messiah that has already died and rose again. To do so is absurd in the eyes of a Catholic. This now became the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

    Why do we not observe the feast of Tabernacles, also? This is because Christ fulfilled this feast by fasting 40 days in the desert (this feast commemorated the 40 years the Israelites were in the desert), and overcoming the devil by means of rejecting his various temptations presented to him. This now, as we are in currently, became the observation called Lent.

    Also, why is there no difference between circuмcision and uncircuмcision? Jesus Christ perfected this by instituting the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the fulfillment of circuмcision, leaving an indelible spiritual mark, as opposed to an indelible fleshly mark.

    The Church has plenty of beautiful feast days to celebrate. My favorite being the feast day of Ss. Peter and Paul, on June 29th.

    Remember as well these two key factors:
    a) It was your friend's decision to accept the reality of Christ, then to reject Him.
    b) St. Paul tells us to admonish those in error one to two times. After that, we must avoid them as a "heathen and a publican".



    "An other parable he proposed vnto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a mustard-seede, vvhich a man tooke and sovved in his field. Which is the least surely of al seedes: but vvhen it is grovven, it is greater then al herbes, and is made a tre

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    « Reply #7 on: March 16, 2015, 11:07:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cera
    Get to the root of the problem by getting the book "Where we got the Bible." The Bible came from the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the Roman Catholic Church. Once he understands that fact, the details will fall into place.


    This is a good point to bring up with Protestants, a seed to plant.  Much of Protestantism is founded on the implicit, or nearly explicit assumption that when Our Lord ascended into heaven, He dropped off a stack of King James version bibles for the Apostles to read.  Retarded I know, but thats pretty much what you are dealing with (I know, I am convert myself).  If you can get them thinking about the actual history of the compiling of Holy Scripture by the Catholic Church, it does start the gears grinding away.

    As for this not celebrating Easter stuff, I am not too sure where that is coming from.  I have been disconnected from Protestantism for many years now but I have seen some bits and pieces of this Judaizing stuff creep up.  Like calling Our Blessed Lord Yeshua instead of Jesus and following bits (picking and choosing) of the Mosaic law.  I am not sure where this stuff is coming from.

    It is worth remembering what Protestants 'protest' about, ultimately the authority of the Holy Catholic Church, hence their name, which even most modern Protestants dont even think about.  And of course what they substituted for the authority of the Church, but Scripture (mutilated to suit their needs) which can be individually interpreted (or ignored if desired), every man for himself.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 16, 2015, 12:49:19 PM »
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  • I think one of the best ways to convert a Protestant is emphasizing this Bible verse:

    Quote from: John 6:53

    Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.


    Catholicism has one major difference than all the other religions: It really keeps the Precious Body and Blood of Christ for all generations in the Sacrifice of the Mass which is promised to last until the end of the world, and which we know the extreme importance of, from the bibles passage above. Our Lord was very clear about this.

    And then proving to them, the historical reality that Jesus Christ founded only ONE church, the Holy Roman Catholic Church and not another; and that is very traceable, with a little research, that all Protestants sects have been founded but mere humans, but not by God Himself. The Catholic Church is the only Church on earth that has a truly divine origin.

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 16, 2015, 12:51:30 PM »
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  • Get very familiar with these verses:

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    10 Biblical Verses that Protestants Cannot Accept
     (Without Becoming Catholic)


     1. Matthew 16:18-19 / Isaiah 22:22 (Authority)
     2. 1 Timothy 3:15 (Authority)
     3. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (Tradition)
     4. 1 Peter 3:21 (Baptism)
     5. John 20:23 (Confession)
     6. John 6:53-58, 66-67 (Eucharist)
     7. 1 Corinthians 11:27 (Eucharist)
     8. James 5:14-15 (Anointing)
     9. Colossians 1:24 (Suffering)
     10. James 2:17- 26 (Works)
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 16, 2015, 06:58:01 PM »
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    Well, you might want to mention how to follow those feast days now are unnecessary because they were all in expectation of Jesus Christ, who is the Messiah. To follow those and other precepts laid out before the fulfillment of the Law would be akin to saying that one still expects a Messiah, which of course is blasphemy. The Church recognizes that, that is why it is outlawed for anyone to observe those feast days with the intention of an Old Testament Jєω. Which, frankly put, is to not observe these feasts at all.

    For example, why is it unnecessary to follow Passover? Well, Jesus Christ, in His bloody Sacrifice at Golgotha, became the Lamb without blemish. The lamb in Passover was superseded by Jesus Christ, Agnus Dei, the Perfect and Spotless Sacrifice. Thus, there is no reason to keep killing lambs in expectation of a Messiah that has already died and rose again. To do so is absurd in the eyes of a Catholic. This now became the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

    Why do we not observe the feast of Tabernacles, also? This is because Christ fulfilled this feast by fasting 40 days in the desert (this feast commemorated the 40 years the Israelites were in the desert), and overcoming the devil by means of rejecting his various temptations presented to him. This now, as we are in currently, became the observation called Lent.

    Also, why is there no difference between circuмcision and uncircuмcision? Jesus Christ perfected this by instituting the Sacrament of Baptism, which is the fulfillment of circuмcision, leaving an indelible spiritual mark, as opposed to an indelible fleshly mark.

    The Church has plenty of beautiful feast days to celebrate. My favorite being the feast day of Ss. Peter and Paul, on June 29th.

    Remember as well these two key factors:
    a) It was your friend's decision to accept the reality of Christ, then to reject Him.
    b) St. Paul tells us to admonish those in error one to two times. After that, we must avoid them as a "heathen and a publican".





    thanks, will use this, if I had to avoid everyone that I've had to admonish more than 2 times I would be living by myself in seclusion, leave my wife etc


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    « Reply #11 on: March 16, 2015, 10:39:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Conspiracy_Factist
    my good friend who I converted from   atheism has fallen into following these heretics
    Armor of God
    one of their strange beliefs is it's wrong to  celebrate Easter, they follow the holidays like passover ,it's hard getting through to him so any help on this matter   would be helpful in trying to wake him up to this specific issue as to why we don't celebrate passover

    If there is no Easter then there is no Christianity.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 17, 2015, 06:36:00 PM »
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    my good friend who I converted from   atheism has fallen into following these heretics
    Armor of God
    one of their strange beliefs is it's wrong to  celebrate Easter, they follow the holidays like passover ,it's hard getting through to him so any help on this matter   would be helpful in trying to wake him up to this specific issue as to why we don't celebrate passover

    If there is no Easter then there is no Christianity.

    I told him that,he's still in a fog under the grasps of the heretics, if he responds with anything of substance I will post here

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    « Reply #13 on: April 01, 2015, 12:14:58 AM »
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  • Tell your friend to watch this video.
    "An other parable he proposed vnto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a mustard-seede, vvhich a man tooke and sovved in his field. Which is the least surely of al seedes: but vvhen it is grovven, it is greater then al herbes, and is made a tre

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    « Reply #14 on: April 01, 2015, 01:11:35 AM »
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  • The best that you can do for your friend is to live the holiness that God is calling you to.