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Roman Catholic · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2012, 12:30:53 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

Why don't you tell me about your studies? I would be interested to know what sort of scenarios you are envisioning.

What EXACTLY would one of these "possession against the will" scenarios be?

Actually you are the one who said you had studied the subject. I just said I had read about it.

Anyway the following excerpt is from a book by Rev. Fr. Carl Vogl about a case that happened somewhere in Iowa last century.

At one stage it came to light that curses had been placed on the victim's food by the father and someone else. I can't remember who the other individual was.

From the book:

THE LADY IN QUESTION
The unfortunate woman was unknown to the pastor. She lived far from Earling, and up to then he had heard nothing about her. The Capuchin Father had explained to him what her actual condition was, that she was a very pious and respectable person. Throughout her youth she led a religious, fervent and blameless life. In fact she approached the sacraments frequently. After her fourteenth year some unusual experiences manifested themselves. She wanted to pray, wanted to go to church and as usual receive Holy Communion. But some interior hidden power was interfering with her plans. The situation became worse instead of improving. Words cannot express what she had to suffer. She was actually barred from the consolations of the Church, torn away from them by force. She could not help herself in any way and seemed to be in the clutches of some mysterious power.

Gregory I · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2012, 12:33:27 PM »

That is really interesting! But what does it say about the efficacy of the sacraments? Why was the Eucharist not sufficient to expel the Demon, seeing as they hate Holy Water and such.

What sort of Spiritual dynamic was taking place?

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2012, 01:07:10 PM »

Quote from: Gregory I

That is really interesting! But what does it say about the efficacy of the sacraments? Why was the Eucharist not sufficient to expel the Demon, seeing as they hate Holy Water and such.

What sort of Spiritual dynamic was taking place?

The unfortunate woman was unknown to the pastor. She lived far from Earling, and up to then he had heard nothing about her. The Capuchin Father had explained to him what her actual condition was, that she was a very pious and respectable person. Throughout her youth she led a religious, fervent and blameless life. In fact she approached the sacraments frequently. After her fourteenth year some unusual experiences manifested themselves. She wanted to pray, wanted to go to church and as usual receive Holy Communion. But some interior hidden power was interfering with her plans. The situation became worse instead of improving. Words cannot express what she had to suffer. She was actually barred from the consolations of the Church, torn away from them by force. She could not help herself in any way and seemed to be in the clutches of some mysterious power.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 15, 2012, 07:49:51 PM »

Yes, I know for a fact that you can unwittingly serve the devil while in a state of mortal sin. I was a screenwriter and all the movies I dreamed up were definitely channeled, but I had no clue where the ideas were coming from.

As soon as I was baptized I realized I couldn't possibly make these movies and call myself a good Christian; but before that, I was deceived by my sins to think that I could.

I see fornication as sort of like a devilish generator, it's like it puts you in his service as a slave, so it is no surprise that the devil is trying to make everyone into a sex fiend. I think there is even a kind of "sex power" which is why Satanists are always having orgies and so on, it puts you MORE into the devil's service the farther you go, and then he will "elevate" you in a worldly way so that you can influence others and serve his designs.

Rock stars are also definitely channeling the devil, but they aren't all possessed. They are just receiving inspiration from the devil that in their blindness they take to be "creativity." This is not a hypothesis but fact, because I have lived it.

However, there came a time when I did know it was the devil controlling me, and had to make a choice. I don't know if others are faced with the same clear decision at a certain point, though I would assume they are since God gives us free will. So it seems that for a while it's unconscious, and then when you have stepped into the web, it becomes conscious, you feel like you've gone too far and can't get out.