Nado has been on my "look into banning" list for quite a bit of time.

Frankly, I only needed one reason -- the whole "Matthew tolerates heretics on CI because it's good for business" B.S.

But having read a few posts in this thread, I think the better reason is that Nado is a prime candidate for banning (degrading the forum in general).

A forum is only useful for rational, reasoned discussion. Someone who is disruptive (for example, but not limited to: posting nonsense in every thread, turning every discussion into an argument about Sedevacantism, trolling, etc.)

Someone who pulls an "Israel" and provokes/bullies until they get a response, then they cry "victim" -- that is quite disruptive for a forum.

Anyhow, I've been busy trying to help the Traditional cause in a concrete and practical way by hosting a Mass here this afternoon. I'm trying to build up a new chapel to host the Tridentine Mass in this area. That's where I was all day. I was cleaning/preparing for Mass, serving the Mass, hosting a potluck afterwards, then cleaning up. In my opinion, that is a prime way for a Catholic to help the cause during this Crisis.

In other words, I don't "regret" that I didn't intervene sooner. I took care of it eventually, that's all that matters. It's not like I was off reading comic books or something.

Matthew said:

I'm trying to build up a new chapel to host the Tridentine Mass in this area. That's where I was all day. I was cleaning/preparing for Mass, serving the Mass, hosting a potluck afterwards, then cleaning up. In my opinion, that is a prime way for a Catholic to help the cause during this Crisis.

awkwardcustomer said:

Matthew,

How virtuous you are.

While you boast of your services to Tradition, your gang of attack dogs runs wild in the 'Crisis in the Church' forum.  
[...]
Cue Matthew and Ladislaus to come over all holier than thou and bursting with self-righteous indignation.

!!
Petulant and pridefully cruel statement, demeaning his efforts to promote the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass because he didn't side with you and your guy. That's the bottom line behind such an outrageous comment.  I was embarrassed for you when I read it.
Adding insult to injury, he is the host.  Who taught you your manners?    
Shame on you.

Matthew said:

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I'm trying to build up a new chapel to host the Tridentine Mass in this area. That's where I was all day. I was cleaning/preparing for Mass, serving the Mass, hosting a potluck afterwards, then cleaning up. In my opinion, that is a prime way for a Catholic to help the cause during this Crisis.

awkwardcustomer said:

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Matthew,

How virtuous you are.

While you boast of your services to Tradition, your gang of attack dogs runs wild in the 'Crisis in the Church' forum.  
[...]
Cue Matthew and Ladislaus to come over all holier than thou and bursting with self-righteous indignation.

!!
Petulant and pridefully cruel statement, demeaning his efforts to promote the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass because he didn't side with you and your guy. That's the bottom line behind such an outrageous comment.  I was embarrassed for you when I read it.
Adding insult to injury, he is the host.  Who taught you your manners?    
Shame on you.

I agree.

It's as simple as staying out of the sub Feeny forum.  I don't go there and if I did it would bore me to death.  Why some people have a need for that I don't know.  Would they go to the St. Benedict center and debate daily and then get all roused up and complain about it later?  Lack of humility is behind it, as another poster stated.

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Matthew said:

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I'm trying to build up a new chapel to host the Tridentine Mass in this area. That's where I was all day. I was cleaning/preparing for Mass, serving the Mass, hosting a potluck afterwards, then cleaning up. In my opinion, that is a prime way for a Catholic to help the cause during this Crisis.

awkwardcustomer said:

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Matthew,

How virtuous you are.

While you boast of your services to Tradition, your gang of attack dogs runs wild in the 'Crisis in the Church' forum.  
[...]
Cue Matthew and Ladislaus to come over all holier than thou and bursting with self-righteous indignation.

!!
Petulant and pridefully cruel statement, demeaning his efforts to promote the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass because he didn't side with you and your guy. That's the bottom line behind such an outrageous comment.  I was embarrassed for you when I read it.
Adding insult to injury, he is the host.  Who taught you your manners?    
Shame on you.

Not demeaning Matthew's efforts to promote the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Demeaning his boasting about this while allowing vicious attacks on Catholics to go unchallenged on Cathinfo.  

But it's all right as long as the attacks are confined to the 'Crisis in the Church' forum, where the superior types don't deign to venture.

Excuse me, but were you not the one that not long ago started a thread asking how to be for ever deactivated from CathInfo?

How come you are still here to only complain an demean the moderator? Develop some self-restrain to abstain from what is detrimental to your state of soul.  Nobody is acting as vicious against you as you seem to be doing it against your own self.

As Matthew has repeatedly said if these threads are such an occasion of sin for you, simply abstain from them, or if you still feel the need to read or participate, which ironically all these whiners seem to persistently do (they can't get enough of them), then you need to grow a thicker skin and focus on the topic at hand, but you are too concerned with your personal issues and how they affect your self- esteem. That is not the appropriate attitude to discuss in the Crisis Forum, sorry.

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You mean like the Feeney sub-forum itself? Here we have a whole sub-forum dedicated to the promotion, uh, I mean "debate", of Feeneyism.  There isn't one other Catholic forum out there that allows it.

I completely deny your suggestion that allowing discussion of Feeneyism is to promote it.

I could say the exact opposite -- I want the Feeneyite subforum so that Catholic apologists could learn the arguments the Feeneyites -- and opponents -- use, to better fight their errors.

Are you suggesting that Feeneyism is such a small, or new, phenomenon that given them ANY attention is allowing them to live? Sorry. Feeneyism exists, and has existed long before Internet forums. It's a "legitimate" movement, even though I am not among their number.

I believe in Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

Obviously, I don't believe my sub-forum helps the Feeneyites more than it hurts them, or I wouldn't have it here. In my opinion, it's a "wash", with a slight skew against Feeneyism.

Matthew, how many anti-Feeneyite posters get banned and how many Feeneyite posters get banned?  How many anti-Feeneyite posters stick around and how many Feeneyite posters stick around?  How many anti-Feeneyite posters seem to have your ear?  How many Feeneyite posters seem to have your ear? If things are slightly skewed against them, looks can be deceiving.

Feeneyism is not Catholic.  You yourself have said this.  If you can allow non-Catholic Feeneyites to present their case, why not Protestantism?  Or Orthodoxy?  Or Islam?  Or Judaism? They're "legitimate" (albeit false) movements and have been around a long time.

At the end of the day, it's Matthew's call.  It's his forum.  If he wants to ban "Feeneyites", or, for that matter, "Sedevacantists", it's entirely his choice.  He could ban anyone doesn't support the Resistance.  Conversely, if he wanted to set up an area in the forum where Protestants could raise objections against Catholicism, he could do that also ... without thereby promoting Protestantism; he could be doing it to help strengthen Catholics in apologetics.  If he wanted to reinstate Nado and ban me instead, that's also his call.  I'm not going to feel sorry for myself but would simply move along.

When I said that I would no longer participate while Nado was still around, it had nothing to do with his "positions" (such as they were) but rather because I found his posting style so disruptive as to render the forum unusable for me and because he was becoming an occasion of sin for me against charity.  I objected in similar fashion to another poster some time ago; he kept re-pasting the same exact paragraph every two or three minutes on threads, without any regard to context and with no concern for derailing the thread and making discussion impossible.  He was making the forum unusable, and  Nado had the same effect.

Feeneyism is not Catholic.

Prove it.

With solid argument, instead of personal whining.

In all this time, you have failed miserably in doing so.

Thankfully, we have a subforum for doing just that but you won't because you can't.

And because you can't, you should probably quit embarrassing yourself promoting claims you don't know anything about. Claims born out of personal dislikings for particulars members in CI, instead of serious theological convictions.

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Feeneyism is not Catholic.

Prove it.

With solid argument, instead of personal whining.

In all this time, you have failed miserably in doing so.

Thankfully, we have a subforum for doing just that but you won't because you can't.

And because you can't, you should probably quit embarrassing yourself promoting claims you don't know anything about. Claims born out of personal dislikings for particulars members in CI, instead of serious theological convictions.

See how much the Feeneyite forum skews against the Feeneyites Matthew?

And I'm truly touched Cantarella that you took me off ignore.  Apparently I really hit a nerve.

Ladislaus has exceptional devices of flattery and manipulation at his disposal. Think of him as Grima Wormtongue.

Additionally, if anyone thinks that what happens on the Crisis forum does not have an effect on the rest of the forum, they are mistaken. Unless this is the Silent Animosity session of coffee and donuts after mass. There is a reason no one is talking. I'll just say it: the Feeneyites are ruining CI for everyone else.