"I have hated them with a perfect hatred."

The Saint would be considered a "hate monger" today for his treatment of a heretic. These and other passages in Against Helvidius show the indignation of a holy man against an impious one. Catholic men today can learn a lesson from Saint Jerome:

"I was requested by certain of the brethren not long ago to reply to a pamphlet written by one Helvidius. I have deferred doing so, not because it is a difficult matter to maintain the truth and refute an ignorant boor who has scarce known the first glimmer of learning, but because I was afraid my reply might make him appear worth defeating. There was the further consideration that a turbulent fellow, the only individual in the world who thinks himself both priest and layman, one who, as has been said, thinks that eloquence consists in loquacity and considers speaking ill of anyone to be the witness of a good conscience, would begin to blaspheme worse than ever if opportunity of discussion were afforded him. He would stand as it were on a pedestal, and would publish his views far and wide. There was reason also to fear that when truth failed him he would assail his opponents with the weapon of abuse. But all these motives for silence, though just, have more justly ceased to influence me, because of the scandal caused to the brethren who were disguised at his ravings. The axe of the Gospel must therefore be now laid to the root of the barren tree, and both it and its fruitless foliage cast into the fire, so that Helvidius who has never learnt to speak, may at length learn to hold his tongue. ...

"...There are things which, in your extreme ignorance, you had never read, and therefore you neglected the whole range of Scripture and employed your madness in outraging the Virgin, like the man in the story who being unknown to everybody and finding that he could devise no good deed by which to gain renown, burned the temple of Diana: and when no one revealed the sacrilegious act, it is said that he himself went up and down proclaiming that he was the man who had applied the fire. The rulers of Ephesus were curious to know what made him do this thing, whereupon he replied that if he could not have fame for good deeds, all men should give him credit for bad ones. Grecian history relates the incident. But you do worse. You have set on fire the temple of the Lord’s body, you have defiled the sanctuary of the Holy Spirit from which you are determined to make a team of four brethren and a heap of sisters come forth. In a word, joining in the chorus of the Jєωs, you say, "Is not this the carpenter’s son ? is not his mother called Mary ? and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? and his sisters, are they not all with us ? The word all would not be used if there were not a crowd of them." Pray tell me, who, before you appeared, was acquainted with this blasphemy ? who thought the theory worth two-pence? You have gained your desire, and are become notorious by crime. ...

"...I have become rhetorical, and have dispotted myself a little like a platform orator. You compelled me, Helvidius; for, brightly as the Gospel shines at the present day, you will have it that equal glory attaches to virginity and to the marriage state. And because I think that, finding the truth too strong for you, you will turn to disparaging my life and abusing my character (it is the way of weak women to talk tittle-tattle in corners when they have been put down by their masters), I shall anticipate you. I assure you that I shall regard your railing as a high distinction, since the same lips that assail me have disparaged Mary, and I, a servant of the Lord, am favoured with the same barking eloquence as His mother."

Excuse me if I butt in off-topic.

Awkwardcustomer said:

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....I cannot believe for one minute that Matthew would put up with the kind of abuse that you have been subjected to.

 Look how he banned Ggreg for making a joke about his water pump miscalculation.  Goodness knows how he would react if he was on the receiving end of Ladislaus's vitreol.

Ggreg made more than a joke, and he made snide nasty comments deriding Matthew several times about this issue, seemingly with the intent of making  Matthew appear like an idiot who cannot manage simple transactions and calculations. . I, and others, were subject to his nastiness from my first day on board almost 3 years ago. I was amazed that Matthew allowed him to stay for so long. He was a witty intelligent poster, but nevertheless it was time for his departure.

So what you say is not correct Matthew can and did put up with abuse - too long in my opinion.

If you honestly believe that water does not flow from the head even during & after immersion or water being poured on the head, then you're borderline mentally handicap. But that's not really the case, rather you're a pathological sower of discord & hopelessness, and a liar.

Nado, so full of FLUFF.

Nado, my little pet named Fluffy.

Perhaps one of my friends can e-mail me when Nado has left.  Until then I won't post anymore.

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Excuse me if I butt in off-topic.

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....I cannot believe for one minute that Matthew would put up with the kind of abuse that you have been subjected to.

 Look how he banned Ggreg for making a joke about his water pump miscalculation.  Goodness knows how he would react if he was on the receiving end of Ladislaus's vitreol.

Ggreg made more than a joke, and he made snide nasty comments deriding Matthew several times about this issue, seemingly with the intent of making  Matthew appear like an idiot who cannot manage simple transactions and calculations. . I, and others, were subject to his nastiness from my first day on board almost 3 years ago. I was amazed that Matthew allowed him to stay for so long. He was a witty intelligent poster, but nevertheless it was time for his departure.

So what you say is not correct Matthew can and did put up with abuse - too long in my opinion.

You may certainly butt in off-topic.  If that is your perception of ggreg then fine.  But here is another nasty comment made to Nado, yesterday on the 'Pope Leo XIII and the New Rite of Ordination' thread.  How does this nasty comment compare with ggreg's?

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If you honestly believe that water does not flow from the head even during & after immersion or water being poured on the head, then you're borderline mentally handicap. But that's not really the case, rather you're a pathological sower of discord & hopelessness, and a liar.

Nado, so full of FLUFF.

Nado, my little pet named Fluffy.

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Perhaps one of my friends can e-mail me when Nado has left.  Until then I won't post anymore.

Riiiiight.

I hope that means the dozen or so posters who have left because of him will come back.

No member is forced to visit the crisis / feeneyism subforum. Members can abstain from visiting those forums. Ironically, all the whinners of this thread are very fond of these threads and exhibit the same uncharitable behaviors they dare to accuse good Ladislaus of, who is one of the best learned posters of CI.

At lack of better argument to support theological positions, these whinners desperately use any outlet to release their frustration.

Pathetic!

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Perhaps one of my friends can e-mail me when Nado has left.  Until then I won't post anymore.

Riiiiight.

I hope that means the dozen or so posters who have left because of him will come back.

Mabel, are you saying that a dozen or so posters have left because of Ladislaus?  

Look at all the posters who have tangled with Ladislaus and his tribe and note their current degree of activity.