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Consoling prediction from St. Louis de Montfort
« on: November 06, 2008, 10:41:46 PM »
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  • For your true consolation read the words of the great Marian prophet, St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort (True Devotion, 46-48):

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    All the rich among the people, to use an expression of the Holy Spirit as explained by St. Bernard, all the rich among the people will look pleadingly upon her countenance throughout all ages and particularly as the world draws to its end. This means that the greatest saints, those richest in grace and virtue will be the most assiduous in praying to the most Blessed Virgin, looking up to her as the perfect model to imitate and as a powerful helper to assist them.

    I said that this will happen especially towards the end of the world, and indeed soon, because Almighty God and his holy Mother are to raise up great saints who will surpass in holiness most other saints as much as the cedars of Lebanon tower above little shrubs. This has been revealed to a holy soul whose life has been written by M. de Renty.

    These great souls filled with grace and zeal will be chosen to oppose the enemies of God who are raging on all sides. They will be exceptionally devoted to the Blessed Virgin. Illumined by her light, strengthened by her food, guided by her spirit, supported by her arm, sheltered under her protection, they will fight with one hand and build with the other. With one hand they will give battle, overthrowing and crushing heretics and their heresies, schismatics and their schisms, idolaters and their idolatries, sinners and their wickedness. With the other hand they will build the temple of the true Solomon and the mystical city of God, namely, the Blessed Virgin, who is called by the Fathers of the Church the Temple of Solomon and the City of God . By word and example they will draw all men to a true devotion to her and though this will make many enemies, it will also bring about many victories and much glory to God alone.
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    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 06:13:42 AM »
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    These great souls filled with grace and zeal will be chosen to oppose the enemies of God who are raging on all sides. They will be exceptionally devoted to the Blessed Virgin. Illumined by her light, strengthened by her food, guided by her spirit, supported by her arm, sheltered under her protection, they will fight with one hand and build with the other. With one hand they will give battle, overthrowing and crushing heretics and their heresies, schismatics and their schisms, idolaters and their idolatries, sinners and their wickedness. With the other hand they will build the temple of the true Solomon and the mystical city of God, namely, the Blessed Virgin, who is called by the Fathers of the Church the Temple of Solomon and the City of God . By word and example they will draw all men to a true devotion to her and though this will make many enemies, it will also bring about many victories and much glory to God alone.


       "Illumined by Her Light" ? Scriptures warn us about appearances as an angel of light. Sorry, seems like deMontfort is the Fr. Grunner of his time. The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions.

        This is the reason for the coming Chastisment. Most  Catholics never had the guts to admit anything wrong. Blame the protestants, heretics, communists, etc.etc.  True Christianity brings blessings, not curses. Christians experience hardships from persecution of the good, but they leave behind a better place. When the salt of the earth has fled to the wilderness, then the rest of the world will quickly destruct.

         It is my experience that these BVM warriers are the biggest wimps you can imagine. Back in 1986 (apostasy at Assisi), were were the Latin Mass traditionalist BVM warriers? Oh no, we can't take on the Pope. When I tried to distribute a pamphlet by Robert Bergin warning about Medugorje, the BVM fanatics considered that an act of treason. I then decided I had enough and went on spiritual vacation for a number of years.

        Christians are supposed to be concerned with their own faults.  According to the A.C. Nielsen Co., the average American watches more than 4 hours of TV each day (or 28 hours/week, or 2 months of nonstop TV-watching per year). In a 65-year life, that person will have spent 9 years glued to the tube. This medium addresses the audience in such a manner that makes the non Christian feel comfortable, and for Christians to put their faith on hold (to become a luke warm Christian that God will spew out) In fact, God hates this type of Christian the worst. Now consider how we have disseminated these pagan antichrist ideas around the world.

         Now we have reached the economic apocalypse. There was a time when Catholics  banned usury and attempted to establish a Christian economy. With a billion or so people, you should be able to create one heck of an economy. But that takes a lot of hard work, leadership, cooperation. Forget that! right?. Much easer to blame somebody else and take a trip to your latest apparition site that tells you about the "errors of Russia".  Forget about helping your neighbor that is homeless, fatherless, crippled etc. Forget about Catholic evanglization of Black urban neighborhoods. (look at all the empty urban churches). Creating a Catholic Christian culture - That is hard work. Instead of the humble path of Christ, our leadership chose to dress like kings and declare their infallibility in 1870.  Under the duress of world wars in the 20th century, they preferred non scriptual spirituality rather than a blossoming of true Christianity, which would have been a light to the world. I believe those wars were a punishment for pompous Church leadership which inadvertently condoned a corrupt society. Instead of "see how they love one another", pseudo faith advertised stigmatas, minature baby Jesus, effeminate is holy etc. Instead of focusing on God's grace and His interaction with each human being, pseudo faith made us think that only the church elite, or the "ultra holy Fatima children"  could understand the true faith. The whole church was feminized when Infallibility was declared in 1870. No wonder the Catholic warriers have so little effect on the affairs of the world. Look at Joe Biden. (public vs private faith) .  

        "By word and example they will draw all men to a true devotion"  - Just the opposite. You have become a stumbling block, driving away people who try to understand scripture, those who have an understanding of the affairs of the world, and those who promote true Christian charity. Charity begins at home, not on some "Islamic" type pilgrimage.
         


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    Consoling prediction from St. Louis de Montfort
    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 08:40:17 AM »
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  • You are sadly mistaken, and grossly misunderstand the situation.

    Let me ask you something -- have you ever read True Devotion to Mary? Or any other book solely dedicated to Mary?

    You obviously haven't met any true apostles of Mary. I have. They are like saints on earth.

    None of the charges you allege will stick to any of those apostles I speak of. Most of them don't own a TV. Didn't think that was possible today?

    Try to broaden your mind beyond your own personal experience, unless you've gone all over the country, gone to all different kinds of chapels, met thousands of people, and done so for about 15 years or more.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 09:18:55 AM »
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  • Classicom,

    Your insults to Our Lady and St. Louis de Montfort are sickening. I will pray for you.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2008, 09:55:33 AM »
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  • I agree -- but I can't get past the fact he has a complete misconception (to the point of caricature) of what I'm talking about when I say "apostle of Our Lady".

    Just for STARTERS, Medjugorje is a false apparition. Any true apostle of Mary would agree.

    I know the "type" he's talking about -- but it's a completely different "type" than what I'm talking about.

    Another thing -- the apostles of Mary are masculine, not wimpy or feminine. He obviously has been to the wrong places. Maybe he's been around Novus Ordo Catholics?

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    « Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 11:25:01 AM »
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    You obviously haven't met any true apostles of Mary. I have. They are like saints on earth


        I said the same about the Baysiders. But if the Devil can appear as an angel of light, then he would preach to those who act "like saints" . The Baysiders had their rosaries turn gold, and they had many supernatural coincidences. They were big supporters of John Paul II and the Apostasy of Assisi. (are you people birds of a feather?) They have a collection of supernatural Polaroid pictures that make the Voodoo Polaroids look wimpy in comparison. That is a nasty secret nobody talks about. Anyway, all this is just a warmup for the real antichrist.

       So the real deal is that you Marionologists take no responsibility for the millions of people that get sucked into Medugorje, Bayside, and countless other diabolic events (in the holy name of Mary)  that make a mockery of the Catholic Faith. I tried to show you how Fatima has acted like nerve gas and prevented a logical counter attack to the poison of modernism.  I must be reading a different bible. God is not the author of confusion.

     
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    " No, these people cannot take strong meat. In charity they must be fed milk first. (St. Paul)"


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    Stumbling Blocks
    from the Silver Lining
    Satan has many devices to cause confusion and heartache for God's people. One of the tools he uses so successfully is to cause stumbling blocks to be placed in our paths.

    A stumbling block is something which causes us to err or to stray from the truth. Casting a stumbling block in one's way is the opposite of being our brother's keeper.

    The seriousness of casting a stumbling block in one's way was made very clear by Jesus when He said "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in" (Mt. 23:13). The very ones who should have been helpful were guilty of making it more difficult for God's people to do what was right.

    The problem of causing others to err has been evident since long before Christ. Isaiah wrote ". . .Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumbling block out of the way of my people" (Is. 57:14). Malachi also wrote of the problem when he chastised the messengers of the Lord who " . . . . are de parted out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts" (Mal. 2:7).

    Ezekiel wrote at length about the shepherds who were more concerned about their selfish interests than they were about feeding the flocks. In Ez. Chap. 34 he wrote of those who neither cared for the diseased nor sought those who were scattered. The sheep wandered upon the face of the earth and no one searched for them. The stumbling block was acts of selfishness and neglect.

    From this example and other scriptures, we can understand that there are many ways we can cast a stumbling block in the way of God's people. Perhaps the most serious stumbling block of all was committed when the Savior was put to death. This was done to discourage others From following Him. The Jєωιѕн leaders at that time were willing to go to any extreme to silence the message of salvation and to prevent anyone from following Jesus.

    Persecution against Christians has been tool that Satan has used ever since Christ arose from the dead. "...And at that time there was great persecution against the church. . ." (Acts 8:1). Throughout history and continuing to our time, persecution has made it difficult for those who want to worship God.

    The preceding examples have been quite blatant and easy to recognize. We must also understand that there are more subtle, but very effective, stumbling blocks that cause men to fail. We must be careful that we do not allow ourselves to be guilty of them.

    "Christian liberty" has often been used as justification to engage in activities that, at best, are borderline sin. It is true that Christ came to earth to liberate us from Satan. It is also true that we ". . . shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Ro. 8:21) and ". . . where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (II. Cor. 3:17).

    The Apostle Paul wrote much about liberty. In Romans 14 he encourages us to have forbearance with a weak brother who may not have faith to do as we do. However, he also wrote of the need to "...take heed lest by any means this liberty of your's become a stumbling block to them that are weak" (I Cor. 8:9) and to "...use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another" (Ga. 5:13). Peter wrote that we must not use "...your liberty as a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God" (I Pe. 2:16).

    How, then, can we be sure we do not put a stumbling block in our brother's way? God is faithful. In His Word He pro vides instruction that helps us in this matter. "He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him" (I Jn. 2:10).

    Jesus said "This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you" (Jn. 15:12). If we love our brother as Christ loved us, there will be no sacrifice which is too great. If Christ was willing to die for us, we ought to be willing to go to great lengths to see that we do not cause another to fall.



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    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 09:49:27 AM »
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    WHEN THEY KILL A POPE
    "The streets are filled with vipers who've lost all ray of hope You know it ain't even safe no more in the palace of the Pope" - Bob Dylan

    Is everything a conspiracy? No. Just the important stuff. Since the recent death of Pope John Paul II, it seems a good time to recall the circuмstances of the his papal succession. Because Luciani Albini, Pope John Paul I, was almost certainly murdered, by an international network of fascists and money launderers, with ties to elements within military and intelligence agencies. (And isn't it just amazing, how often we find that convergence?) He only served 33 days; what could he have done in that short time to deserve death? What kind of Pope was he becoming?

    To the second question, there's the suggestion of an answer in this passage from David Yallop's In God's Name: On August 28, 1978, the beginning of his papal revolution was announced. It took the form of a Vatican statement that there was to be no coronation, that the new pope refused to be crowned. There would be no sedia gestatoria, the chair used to carry the pope, no tiara encrusted with emeralds, rubies, sapphires, and diamonds. No ostrich feathers, no six-hour ceremony.... Luciani, who never once used the royal "we," was determined that the royal papacy with its appurtenances of worldly grandeur should be replaced by a Church that resembled the concepts of its founder. The "coronation" became a simple Mass. The spectacle of a pontiff carried in a chair...was supplanted by the sight of a supreme pastor quietly walking up the steps of the altar. With that gesture Luciani abolished a thousand years of history.... The era of the poor Church had officially begun.

    That right there would have been enough to make the Vatican's power elite nervous, but surely not enough to seek the Pope's death. Not even his expressed interest in reconsidering the Church's position on birth control would have been enough for that. What was enough, was his intent to overturn the tables of the corrupt Vatican Bank, and purge the Vatican of the P2 Lodge. This is one of those things that make being a "conspiracy theorist" seem entirely superfluous. Just try imagining P2: an elite, ultra-secretive, neo-fascist, Masonic cabal, involved in money laundering, assassination and false-flag terrorism. (The "Strategy of Tension," to discredit Italy's Communist Party. For instance, the engineering of Aldo Moro's kidnapping and murder, and the Bologna train bombing.) P2 counted among its members the future Italian President Silvio Berlusconi, and reputedly boasted honourary members like Henry Kissinger, George HW Bush and arch-neocon, Michael Ledeen. I mentioned P2 last August, with regard to Ledeen's long history with the Italian far right and the linchpin of Italian military intelligence to the Niger "Yellow Cake" forgery. [For more on the significance of P2 to US intelligence and the "Octopus," refer to David Guyatt's excellent articles "Operation Gladio", "Holy Smoke and Mirrors" and "The Money Fountain."]

    Licio Gelli was P2's Grandmaster, and can't even be called a neo-fascist. He was Old School: a member of the Italian Black Shirt Brigade which fought for Franco in the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr. During World War II, he spied on partisans in his native Italy for the nαzιs, and obtained the SS rank of Oberleutenant. This same Gelli was a honoured guest of George HW Bush after the 1980 inauguration, and there is evidence that Gelli and P2 played a role in the October Surprise; even that Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered on Gelli's orders because he'd refused to provide Swedish cover for the covert transfer of money and arms. In her October Surprise, Barbara Honegger writes that a P2 informant claimed to her that before Palme's death, Gelli sent a message to former Republican National Committee advisor (and also alleged "honourary" P2 member) Philip Guarino, assuring him that "the Swedish tree will be felled," and to "tell our good friend Bush."

    Your head exploding yet? There's more. GHW Bush's reputed code name for October Surprise was "The White Rose," which was also the name of a far-right Cuban exile group with which the CIA's Bush was reportedly engaged during the ramp-up to the Bay of Pigs. Honneger reports that when Italian police uncovered the P2 control cell responsible for terrorism in Italy, they learned that its code name was "The Rose of Twenty." Gelli seems to have had a weakness for the flower. And this may mean nothing, or I know what you did: in 1988, on the 25th anniversary of John F Kennedy's murder, Ted Kennedy marked the occasion in Runnymede England by placing, at the foot of his brother's memorial, a single white rose. Gelli's network financed itself in part by purchasing and plundering banks, thanks to the likes of P2 brothers Michele Sindona and "God's Banker," Roberto Calvi. Mafioso Sindona, in 1968, had become a financial advisor to Pope Paul VI; Calvi was running Banco Ambrosiano; and another P2 member, American Bishop Paul "You can't run the Church on Hail Marys" Marcinkus, who bore the nickname "the Gorilla," was heading the Vatican Bank. For a while, it was a sweet operation.

    As cardinal of Venice, Albini had butted heads with the bankers. As Pope, he could finally do something more. Most revelatory, he became privy to the secret list of Freemasons in the Vatican. For the first time, he learned of P2's penetration of the Church. If the information was authentic, then it meant Luciani was virtually surrouded by Masons.... The secretary of state, Cardinal Villot, Masonic name Jeanni, lodge number 041/3, enrolled in a Zurich lodge on August 6, 1966. The foreign minister, Monsignor Agnostino Casaroli. The cardinal vicar of Rome, Ugo Poletti. Cardinal Baggio. Bishop Paul Marcinkus and Monsignor Donato de Bonis of the Vatican Bank. The disconcerted pope read a list that seemed like a Who's Who of Vatican City.

    Here's a good summation of what happened next: With his bright intelligence and naive fearlessness, John Paul I penetrated to the heart of this maze of corruption within weeks of his coronation. On the evening of September 28, 1978, he called Cardinal Villot, the leader of the powerful Curia, to his private study to discuss certain changes that the Pope proposed to make public the next day.... Among those whose "resignations" would be accepted by the Pontiff the following day were the head of the Vatican Bank, and several members of the Curia who were implicated in the activities of Sindona and P2, and Villot himself. Moreover, Villot was told that John Paul I would also announce plans for a meeting on October 24 with an American delegation to discuss a reconsideration of the Church's position on birth control. When Pope John Paul I retired to his bedroom on the evening of September 28, clutching the paperwork that would expose the Vatican's financial dealings with the Mafia and purge the Curia of those responsible, a number of very ruthless individuals had a great interest in seeing to it that he would never awaken to issue these directives.

    When the Pope's housekeeper knocked at his door at 4:30 a.m., she heard no response. Leaving a cup of coffee, she returned fifteen minutes later to find the Pope still not stirring. She entered the bed chamber and gasped when she saw the Pope propped up in bed, still holding papers from the night before, his face contorted in a grimace. On the night table beside him lay an opened bottle of Effortil, a medication for his low blood pressure. The housekeeper immediately notified Cardinal Villot, whose first response to the news was to summon the papal morticians even before verifying the death himself or calling the Vatican physician to examine the body. Villot arrived in the Pope's room at 5:00 a.m. and gathered the crucial papers, the Effortil bottle, and several personal items which were soiled with vomit. None of these articles were ever seen again.

    Although the Vatican claimed that its house physician had determined myocardial infarction as the cause of death, to this day no death certificate for Pope John Paul I has been made public. Although Italian law requires a waiting period of at least 24 hours before a body may be embalmed, Cardinal Villot had the body of Albino Luciani prepared for within 12 hours of his death. Although the Vatican refused to allow an autopsy on the basis of an alleged prohibition against it in canon law, the Italian press verified that an autopsy had in fact been performed on one of the Pope's predecessors, Pius VIII. Although the conventional procedure for embalming a body requires that the blood first be drained and certain internal organs removed, neither blood nor tissue was removed from the corpse; hence, none was available to assay for the presence of poison.

    This material can lead to despair. If they can whack the Pope, and get away with it, what hope do we have? I don't find it consoling to know of what they're capable; that they are, as Dylan sang in another song, "bound and determined to destroy all the gentle." That's not about justice. That's about being forewarned, and forearmed. And these days, that's almost as important as justice. But it is a consolation of sorts to remember that these people are flesh, just as we are. Gelli is still alive, but since his extradition from France in 1998, he has been serving a 12-year sentence for his role in the Banco Ambrosiano affair. Marcinkus received Vatican immunity from Pope John Paul II, when it became apparent Italian authorities intended to prosecute him for his criminal stewardship of the Vatican Bank, and eventually left Rome for Sun City, Arizona. (A fascinating glimpse of Marcinkus today, here.) Sindona died in prison drinking poison coffee, possibly the same administered to the Pope. Calvi, after his string played out, met a peculiarly Masonic fate, hanging from a rope beneath London's Blackfriar's Bridge, his hands tied behind his back and 12 pounds of bricks stuffed in his pockets. (Naturally, originally deemed a "ѕυιcιdє.")

    Our advantage is that there are more of us than there are of them. Our greatest disadvantage: most of us still can't admit there is a them.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »
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  •   Here is another author who was brave enough to give an honest account of what's really going on in the Vatican.

    The whole book is online at this link

    Piers Compton   - The Broken Cross


    http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/brokencross/

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     William H. Kennedy internet radio recordings talks about Pope Ratzinger and the cabal of  Satanic Pedophiles in the Church.

    http://www.williamhkennedy.com/radio.html


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      ON the bright side, I see a lot more people on the net affirming Catholic teaching. Unfortunately, they are usually protestant.  The Catholics tend to get stuck on the many spiritual sidetracks. I don't mean to focus on the dark events, but people need to be alerted that the apostasy means betrayal of family, church and government. That may be tough medicine to deal with harsh realities (crown of thorns), but you can bet the enemy of your soul will offer you some sort of feel good delusion of damnation as an alternative.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 10:04:14 PM »
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    The whole church was feminized when Infallibility was declared in 1870.


    First, of all the above quote from Classicom goes a long towards discrediting whatever he writes in my book.  Second, I can only imagine that Blessed Mother would be extremely offended that someone would insult a great saint who was so highly renowned for his dedication and apostalate to her.  I think that if a person has a sincere dedication to Our Lady, even if they are Novus Ordo and think that Medjujorie (sp?) is the real deal, in time they will come to know the truth - if their dedication is sincerely to Blessed Mother and not to some ulterior motive or agenda.  The Mother of Our Lord would not allow a person to persist in error.  Many are misguided, I certainly don't blame Vatican I and I certainly don't blame those who are warriors of Blessed Mother.  Shouldn't one be happy that people are, willy nilly, by various paths and routes (some taken through bizarre "apparitions") converting to the true faith?  If one perseveres in the objective search for the truth, God will not let them down.  That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of other people who cloud the issues and cause problems, but don't go spouting stuff against St. Simon b/c of it.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 10:05:40 PM »
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    "The streets are filled with vipers who've lost all ray of hope You know it ain't even safe no more in the palace of the Pope" - Bob Dylan


    Also, quoting Bob Dylan really doesn't go far towards the credibility thing.


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    « Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 10:25:42 PM »
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  • Oh boy, we have an "Old Catholic" in our midst. One who rejects Vatican I (yes, I said ONE) and Papal Infallibility.

    So according to you, Classicom, the See has been vacant for what, 138 years?
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    « Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 12:34:15 AM »
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    Also, quoting Bob Dylan really doesn't go far towards the credibility thing.

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    Oh boy, we have an "Old Catholic" in our midst. One who rejects Vatican I (yes, I said ONE) and Papal Infallibility.

    So according to you, Classicom, the See has been vacant for what, 138 years?



       I'll concede the Bob Dylan credibility thing.  That was the choice of another author.  ( Dylan does look pretty sleazy in his latest rolling stone cover)

       I never contested the validity  of any Pope. If you look at photographic evidence, you could challenge Paul VI.

    http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm

      Now the infallibility as described in 1870 - that is another matter. I am like the kid who questioned the pharmacist in "Its a Wonderful Life". We are created in the image of God and deserve the right to question falsehood. When you give up your right to question tyranny, you enable the kingdom of darkness.  
    "Get behind me Satan" was a line addressed to St. Peter.  Now if you question authority and you are wrong, then you will have to answer at the last Judgment.

        Remember the picture of the Fatima children where you can see the fear in their eyes. (they saw hell and it must have left them traumatized)  Jesus has already answered that subject by saying that people will not believe the anguish of hell unless they follow the laws given to Moses first. I think the point here is that we should follow God's law out of love, not just fear. Fear is the favorite tool of evil tyrants who try to impose their version of infallibility. (think Wizard of Oz behind the curtain) Fear can cripple you. You have been brainwashed into a girly man fear state when you hear the word "infallible". What was that line from scripture? perfect love casteth out fear.
       
     

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    « Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »
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    Now the infallibility as described in 1870 - that is another matter....We are created in the image of God and deserve the right to question falsehood. When you give up your right to question tyranny, you enable the kingdom of darkness.... Now if you question authority and you are wrong, then you will have to answer at the last Judgment.
     


    You are drawing an obvious parallel between the defined doctrines of Vatican I and tyranny - it only makes sense that one would think you (at the very least) doubt the validity of the pope who promulgated infallibility as defined by Vatican I - if you believe that Vatican I was a legitimate council you are bound by your faith to believe it - you can't just say "I disagree with the power this doctrine gives the papacy, so I don't believe it."  For the sake of your own soul I certainly hope that you really don't believe there has been a pope since before Vat I b/c otherwise you are rejecting a defined doctrine.  You aren't like the kid in "It's a Wonderful Life" - not even close - if you are Catholic and believe in the authority of the Church then you are obliged in conscience to to believe its doctrines - I'd say picking and choosing was more along the lines of what Luther did in saying what was an acceptable and not acceptable doctrine.

    And I, for one, have never considered any doctrine with the attachment of the infallibility of the extraordinary magisterium to be a matter of fear - it's a matter of clarity, that the faithful will know without a shadow of a doubt.  One doesn't believe in the doctrines of the faith out of fear - it shoudl be out of love, and b/c it is the right thing to believe.


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