Author Topic: Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married (Read 3781 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** July 21, 2009, 06:13:24 PM »

I'm in a discussion with a Novus Ordo Deacon, assumedly "conservative".

In the course of our conversation it came up that Fr. Richard McBrien has publicly stated that Christ could have been married and, to my knowledge, has never been sanctioned by the Church for it. His response?

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And there is no dogmatic teaching that Jesus was not married. Rather, Tradition holds that he was not married. Historically there is no evidence one way or the other., Thus he is free to speculate on this.

I feel like I'm talking to a Fish Eater. I actually expected more from a Neo-Cath. The insanity that passes for Catholicism out there never ceases to amaze me.

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2009, 07:54:35 PM »

LOL. It is like talking to a fisheater.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:24:04 PM »

Yeah, the conciliar religion is a cancer, just as Bishop Fellay says.

They all seem to be attached to some form of heterodoxy. And even if they claim to be "conservative" and give generic opposition on certain issues they know they must to have any credibility, they are unwilling to seriously condemn or oppose liberals in the Church.

The simple fact is they are far more eager to combat genuine Catholicism than they are to combat liberalism.

Dawn · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:30:15 PM »

Bishop Fellay says what?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:32:31 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

LOL. It is like talking to a fisheater.

Or a Mormon.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2009, 08:53:18 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

The simple fact is they are far more eager to combat genuine Catholicism than they are to combat liberalism.

I think this sums it up nicely. And it is this tendency that betrays who they really are.

Arborman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:19:08 PM »

The Deacon at my former NO church said in a sermon "we are not to resist evil" He said this repeatedly. Then the priest confirmed that as Mass ended by agreeing and said we are not to resist evil!
:really-mad2:

That was my last Mass there.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2009, 09:56:40 PM »

Quote from: Dawn

Bishop Fellay says what?

It's in this interview by Father Asher:

http://gloria.tv/?media=27430

http://gloria.tv/?media=27739

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:37:22 PM »

Quote from: Arborman

The Deacon at my former NO church said in a sermon "we are not to resist evil" He said this repeatedly. Then the priest confirmed that as Mass ended by agreeing and said we are not to resist evil!
:really-mad2:

That was my last Mass there.

Of course. They don't want any Catholics resisting themselves or their errors.

Vladimir · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2009, 10:42:14 PM »

You should admonish him afterwards. Or at least ask him why he said what he did.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:49:41 AM »

Check it out. he expounds further....

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The difference is that the teaching with regard to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is well defined and dogmatic, the teaching with regard to Jesus and his marital status depends on Tradition and is not dogmatic.The role of the theologian is to push our understanding of the revelation of God. Not all things theologians write are correct, not all things theolgians write are consistent with Tradition. Yet, unless the Church says that a given position may not be held, the well-formed conscience of the individual has the right to hold it.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:52:03 AM »

Figures. He is a Fr. Z disciple and therefore a Neo-Trad. It all makes sense now.

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Except that Rome has specifically stated what can and cannot be considered acceptable in the liturgical expression of the Church. As long as one conforms to what Rome has said the liturgy should be acceptable. As the saying goes, "say the black, do the red."

Vladimir · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:56:39 AM »

Quote from: Uriel

Quote from: Vladimir
You should admonish him afterwards. Or at least ask him why he said what he did.

Seriously Vlad..stopping being such a coward. You think all priest are holier then thou and should not be approached in a foward MANer! Most and I mean most priest are far from being in a state of grace and deserve NO respect. :light-saber:

You are in grave error sir. Our Lord revealed to St. Catherine that many souls go to Hell because they were subject to bad priests, and that instead of cursing these priests, we should pray for their conversion. God said if we do this, then he will grant the Church many holy priests.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:02:17 AM »

My reply:

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Your words are crystal clear. In your opinion a Catholic in good standing can hold that Our Lord was married. As I said before, this amazing error coming from a Deacon, and possibly a self-described "Traditional" one at that, in and of itself proves the crisis. I won't waste any more time on it.

As for Weakland's comments, please demonstrate how they contradict any de fide statements of the Church, understanding that, until the Church acts on Weakland and/or his statements your opinion is solely your own and not binding on any other Catholic (according to your own argument).

You state that as long as one conforms to what Rome has said the liturgy should be acceptable. You prove my point. You are bound by your argument to then believe that rock masses, liturgical dance, girl altar boys, folk masses, etc. are acceptable because they have all been approved and just as acceptable as the TLM.

I thank you for demonstrating my point real time during this discussion. This line of argument from extremes is extremely dangerous and ultimately leads to the destruction of faith and the damning of souls.

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2009, 02:30:17 PM »

If your Faith isn't already dead, Uriel, it's certainly making its own funeral arrangements.

Matthew

Author Topic: Conservative NO Deacon Says It&#039;s Possible Christ Married (Read 3781 times)

Author Topic: Conservative NO Deacon Says It's Possible Christ Married (Read 3781 times)