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Offline Raoul76

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Conquering pornography
« on: June 27, 2009, 02:58:29 AM »
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  • An addiction to pornography MUST BE and CAN BE defeated.  

    Do not get into the habit of self-abuse/confession, self-abuse/confession.  Always keep as your goal the total dominion of your flesh, and a hatred of all incitements to impurity -- even the most harmless lingerie ads and things like that, or even girls walking down the street ( don't hate the girls themselves, of course, just the dangers they present ).

    I will only briefly mention the classic form of Catholic guilt, mental images of Christ on the cross or the purity of Mary, as a help against pornography.  It is likely that if someone is addicted, and Catholic, that even these deterrents do not work.  

    I will stick to practical advice which should be compounded with all the prayers and mortifications at your disposal.

    MODERATED -- I HAVEN'T READ THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THIS WAS BAD ADVICE. -Jennifer
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 27, 2009, 07:10:11 AM »
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  • I really want my parents to switch back to dial-up internet so that there isn't even the possbility. Also, I type up my longer posts on a computer without internet and copy and paste them from a memory stick so that I only go on the internet when people are around.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 27, 2009, 08:28:25 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting this, Raoul76.

    I kicked the habit several years ago.  It can be done.  I give all the credit to Our Lord Jesus Christ.  I couldn't have done it without Him. Of course, the fear that my wife would divorce me was also a strong incentive.  Today I spend hours on the internet (mostly Catholic sites, otherwise news sites) and I'm not in the least bit tempted.  It is truly a miracle of grace.  May the Lord continue to preserve me.

    While I was addicted to pornography (especially in the last years of my addiction, which began when I was a teenager), I would have a very disturbing and recurring dream.  In the dream, I would open up pornographic magazines and find them filled with lurid images of rotting corpses. I would also detect a sickly sweet smell, which I knew was the smell of death -- even though I had never been in the presence of a dead body. I'm convinced to this day that God was sending me a clear message in that dream.

    If any of you good men on this board are addicted to pornography, I will keep you in my prayers.  Pornography is a "silent killer" (killing marriages and -- above all -- killing souls) among Catholic men, and I'm sure that trads are no exception -- we're all human.
    Exile in Novus Ordo land ... please pray for me!

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    « Reply #3 on: June 27, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »
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  • Congratulations, Prodino.  It is amazing that this addiction can actually be overcome.  Women probably don't understand the allure of pornography at all but I'm pretty sure most men know just how maddeningly addictive it really is.  

    My mom, who was a schoolteacher, told me about a little boy who had to be punished for looking under girls' skirts.  When my mom admonished him by saying that he would find the same sight under each skirt, he said "I don't care, I want to see them ALL."  Unfortunately, most men, being evil as Christ Himself called us, are naturally made like this.

    God does give graces to those who want to be freed of this vice, in that he truly FREES you.  Knock and He will answer.  Like you, Prodino, I no longer even want to look at smut, and if someone forced me to look at it, it would bore me.  I literally see with different eyes, they have been wiped clean, only women in a state of grace have any visual appeal for me ( and they usually wear dresses down to their ankles  :laugh1: )  

    There may be a tendency among some to think it's relatively okay, to say "At least I'm not cheating on my wife."  Maybe they might even say "It KEEPS me from cheating on my wife."  I don't know, I'm not married, but I can imagine myself thinking like that, good at making excuses as I am  :scratchchin:  Of course your conscience and Christ told you otherwise and you did the right thing.  

    You're also so right that trads are just as prone to this as anyone else.  Until Vatican II, "trads" were the only kind of Catholics there were anyway, and lust is not a new invention.  We have to deal with all the new problems, the new heresies and new controversies, while still dealing with the old problems ( our own propensity to sin ).  Meanwhile, since Vatican II, pornography has risen exponentially, as have all sins.  We truly are besieged by Satan.  Those who pretend that they are super-Catholics who are above all of this are riding for a fall.

    When I wrote the above post I was describing how I battled an addiction to pornography in the years leading up to my baptism.  For someone who is already baptised, they also have recourse to the Eucharist and the timetable of Sunday masses.   Because, after each confession, you should show the Lord some improvement, you could space out my "resensitivity" technique from week to week.  Just as long as you don't become like Luther who rebelled against the Catholic Church because he found confession too embarrassing... It's safe to say that the Protestant "Church" was begun by a ritual self-abuser.  That's how serious this is!  ( Womanizing, though gravely sinful, is hardly embarrassing since most men are not even capable of it and those who are are looked at as studs ).

    Once you are no longer looking at pornography, the fight is only beginning.  You then have to remain on the defensive for the rest of your life.  And anything could make you slip up.  You have to protect yourself from the train of thought that leads to pornography and that means looking away INSTANTLY from any undressed, half-dressed or provocatively posing female.  

    Once that slip-up happens, I imagine heavy despair could set in.  I will pray Prodino that you keep the course.

    P.S. DeMaistre, since you are a Michael Dimond supporter and probably a home-aloner, you are cutting yourself off from sacraments.  Be careful that God doesn't abandon you to your own self-righteousness by abandoning you to pornography.  It's easy to imagine this happens often to extremely self-righteous and overly strict Catholic communities.  They fall into sin and then despair and this leads to more pride and more self-righteousness, to cover up for their own sins, etc.  I'm not saying this has happened to Michael Dimond since I don't know him, I'm saying it's a possibility you should be on guard against.  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 27, 2009, 01:22:10 PM »
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  • Excellent article!  Thank you for posting!


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    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2009, 04:41:08 PM »
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  • Do you think since pornography is an addiction it would lessen the severity of God's judgement. In other words, would it be a venial sin for someone who is addicted. Just like it would be a venial sin for a person who is an alcoholic since they are addicted and have less free will.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 27, 2009, 05:34:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Alex
    Do you think since pornography is an addiction it would lessen the severity of God's judgement. In other words, would it be a venial sin for someone who is addicted. Just like it would be a venial sin for a person who is an alcoholic since they are addicted and have less free will.

    Viewing pornography is intrinsically evil and thus a mortal sin. However, the addictive nature of the habit is a mitigating circuмstance that could lessen culpability.

    There is nothing intrinsically evil about drinking alcohol, whereas viewing pornography is wicked from the first "sip" of the eyes.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009, 03:26:23 PM »
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  • Raoul76, I don't have access to any sacraments besides Novus Ordo, FSSP, SSPX, or Eastern rite. None of them are sede.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 28, 2009, 10:36:12 PM »
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  • Anyone else suspicious of Raoul?

    Raoul - you do know your advice is not Catholic?

    Some of the others have corrected you on it, but I think you know better than to give advice like that.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 10:51:37 PM »
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  • I agree with Caio and Telesphorus.

    Raul, I think your intentions are laudable and you ended up in the right place, but your methods are not Catholic as there can never be a sort of slow "ease-down" from mortally sinful behavior. I also think a lot of your post may serve as an unintended occasion of sin for those struggling in this area since you are so graphic.

    Also personal pride is never a good weapon to use in overcoming any sin, in my opinion. The devil loves pride of all kinds. We must have an attitude of complete humility and recognition of how weak we are and depend on God's grace and step up the fervency of our prayer in times of temptation. In addition, the Spiritual Exercises teach that lust comes from a love of ease. To combat the root of lust we must mortify ourselves daily through sacrifices and keep busy and industrious.  

    Again, I think you had good intentions in posting it and if you kicked the habit that is great. Just disagree on the points I mentioned.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 11:37:32 PM »
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  • I didn't have time to address the issue of Raoul's post --

    A few people brought it up, and they are right.

    The advice he gave, perhaps with good intentions, is not Catholic.

    It's true that although the descent into pornography can be gradual, the repentance must be substantial and immediate.

    You can't "wean yourself" from Mortal Sin -- it doesn't work that way. Perhaps it happened to work for Raoul, but it doesn't mean that it's good advice for anyone.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 01:10:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76

    I will stick to practical advice which should be compounded with all the prayers and mortifications at your disposal.

     


    I know a lot of traditional priests who dispense good solid practical advice. They realize that not everyone has the strength of mind and will to go "cold turkey," especially when dealing with a deep-seated habit like self-abuse which is constantly encouraged by the entire society around us.

    Even St. Paul spoke of having to "work out" his salvation, and of his flesh leading him to do things he did not want to do. Obviously he also struggled with some kind of sinful or debilitating behavior that he was not able to quickly abandon from one day to the other. Addictions, whether sɛҳuąƖ, alcohol and drug related, or behavioral, can become for those of us who suffer from them a real cross that we have to bear in our journey towards Mt. Calvary. Any help we can receive, like Jesus from Simon of Cyrene, is greatly appreciated.

    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 02:04:05 AM »
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  •   I was myself in the danger of acquiring this evil habbit. It just lasted 3 days. with Lord's grace, I stopped it.
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      as a  child had impure fantasie which beggan even before I knew how a person is made... I was/am terribly emotional and depedant. I used to beg my parents for hugs and kisses and when they told me that I was too big, I was greatly vexed and beggan to fantasy about my future family.
      You cannot imagine my awful adolscent. How I was insulted and beaten because I implored my parents to let me marry at 13! It beggan too soon for me. (At that time we didn't have a camputer so I couldn't visit bad websites.)
      My hellish adolscent was gone at last. But I am still too clingy.
    My theorectical intelligence is above normal, but I have a very low practical intelligence. It is why It makes no difference if I was called to marriage. As my mother says, I am not ready for running a household till I am at least 28. So untill then I must fight whether I have a calling or not.
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      But I have found a solution and I hope it is not blasphemous: I give all my emotions and affections to Christ. I imagine myself embracing Him, telling Him that I love Him. I just think about His Face, His beautiful hair, eyes and mouth.
    Whenever I am assulted by motherly desires, I think about the baby Jesus, about the times when He put his little hand in His mother's collar, asking to be nursed.

    Now my conclusion: Either marry or give all your love/desires/urges  to God, or else you will end in hell!
    (not sure if The Church approves it!)

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    « Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 02:04:28 AM »
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  • Thanks for the reprimand everybody.  This is the third or fourth post I've written that has brought me much grief and guilt.  The others are the Great Monarch post ( bordering on false prophecy ) and the one where I called Malachi Martin a conman ( judgmental ).  

    I do agree that the advice was dubiously Catholic.  It is hard to imagine Mary approving of such a post.  Hopefully the one saving grace of the article is that I put a disclaimer above the article saying not to read it unless you were struggling with this problem.  So hopefully anyone who wasn't, didn't!  I still could have been less graphic.  

    I was concerned because DeMaistre suggested he was entrapped by this horrible addiction ( which I know all about ) and I wanted to tell him how I overcame it.  I know that he already knows that Mary and the angels are watching over him when he commits these acts, and I thought it wouldn't do much good to just say "Be pure and don't sin."  

    I wanted to give him some practical advice but that goal in itself holds the incorrect assumption that there is some other "way" to correct ourselves than by throwing ourselves on the mercy of God.  So yes, I was advising that someone commit a mortal sin in order to stop mortal sin.  I did this "weaning" process before baptism to correct myself and it worked in that context, but for everyone else I should stick to the tried-and-true advice:  "Just don't do it, it makes God angry."  

    Telesphorus, I hope you don't think this means I'm not Catholic or you have to mistrust me.  It means I am an imperfect Catholic who, after an entire life spent in the wilderness, is only gradually obtaining knowledge of how to think and act as a Catholic.   Things that shock lifelong Catholics are like second nature to me and I haven't yet achieved the delicacy of language and the carefulness with words that a Catholic needs to have.

    There is a tendency in my family to be too open about sɛҳuąƖity and the problems it brings, because I was not Catholic until recently.  This is a trace of inchoate Naturalism -- paganism -- that I must eradicate completely.  I think it was this way a little bit with Augustine, who often alluded to these matters in books like Confessions, because he knew what it was to live in the world.  

    Sometimes I don't know my mistakes until I make them.  But I learn quickly.  You won't see anything like this from me again -- that is a solemn promise.  

    Matthew, please erase this post if you feel it is harmful to souls.  Or leave it as a testament to my error.  Up to you.  I fully repent for this post, with great sorrow of mind and heart.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.