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Offline jman123

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confronted with gαy marriage arguments
« on: November 07, 2014, 09:21:40 AM »
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  • I have been told by people that why I am so worried over gαy marriage. they say that traditional marriage will still be available. Then they say how could gαy marriage  hurt me personally. Besides, they say, this is a free country, and people can do whatever they want as long as it does not harm individuals.

     how can this be refuted?


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    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 12:31:09 PM »
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  • What is offensive to God should offend us.    

    "The refusal to take sides on great moral issues is itself a decision. It is a silent acquiescence to evil.  The Tragedy of our time is that those who still believe in honesty lack fire and conviction, while those who believe in dishonesty are full of passionate conviction. "

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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2014, 12:50:52 PM »
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  • The government has a duty to discourage sin and encourage virtue.
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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2014, 01:01:43 PM »
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  • Pope St. Felix III pronounced this statement in 5th century which can be applied also in our days:

    Quote from: Pope Felix III

    Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.


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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2014, 01:45:45 PM »
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    I have been told by people that why I am so worried over gαy marriage. they say that traditional marriage will still be available. Then they say how could gαy marriage  hurt me personally. Besides, they say, this is a free country, and people can do whatever they want as long as it does not harm individuals.

     how can this be refuted?


    Duh. Sodomy is called an abomination by God; celebrating their sin (instead of seeking the grace to avoid sin) will seriously harm them.  Their eternal abode will be horrific.

    Also, God created the family as the basic unit of a functioning society. The foundation of the family is the life-long union of one man and one woman. Children do best with a father and mother. These are sociological facts, well
    -supported by volumes of research.

    These people need to pull their heads out of their peds and tv, do some research, and learn to THINK.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2014, 01:52:04 PM »
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    I have been told by people that why I am so worried over gαy marriage. they say that traditional marriage will still be available. Then they say how could gαy marriage  hurt me personally. Besides, they say, this is a free country, and people can do whatever they want as long as it does not harm individuals.

     how can this be refuted?


    Duh. Sodomy is called an abomination by God; celebrating their sin (instead of seeking the grace to avoid sin) will seriously harm them.  Their eternal abode will be horrific.

    Also, God created the family as the basic unit of a functioning society. The foundation of the family is the life-long union of one man and one woman. Children do best with a father and mother. These are sociological facts, well
    -supported by volumes of research.

    These people need to pull their heads out of their peds and tv, do some research, and learn to THINK.


        He does not say we should celebrate gαys. He says just let them be. How can I counter that?

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    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2014, 03:40:20 PM »
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    I have been told by people that why I am so worried over gαy marriage. they say that traditional marriage will still be available. Then they say how could gαy marriage  hurt me personally. Besides, they say, this is a free country, and people can do whatever they want as long as it does not harm individuals.

     how can this be refuted?


    Duh. Sodomy is called an abomination by God; celebrating their sin (instead of seeking the grace to avoid sin) will seriously harm them.  Their eternal abode will be horrific.

    Also, God created the family as the basic unit of a functioning society. The foundation of the family is the life-long union of one man and one woman. Children do best with a father and mother. These are sociological facts, well
    -supported by volumes of research.

    These people need to pull their heads out of their peds and tv, do some research, and learn to THINK.


        He does not say we should celebrate gαys. He says just let them be. How can I counter that?

    The OP


    First, never heed any advise on this issue from Frank. Second, your question has already been answered by the previous posters.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 04:59:15 PM »
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  • The only true gαy (happy) marriage is between a Catholic Husband and Catholic wife .

    A ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liaison is not a happy thing.
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    « Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 05:39:21 PM »
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  • Many libertarians are of the idea that the government should not be involved in deciding whether this or that type of marriage is more correct. They have a live and let live attitude.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 07, 2014, 05:41:39 PM »
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    Many libertarians are of the idea that the government should not be involved in deciding whether this or that type of marriage is more correct. They have a live and let live attitude.

    Libertarians are not Catholic (I know some libertarians claim to be Catholic). Catholics realize that the governments of the world have a duty to protect the rights of God and enforce morality.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 07, 2014, 05:46:13 PM »
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    Many libertarians are of the idea that the government should not be involved in deciding whether this or that type of marriage is more correct. They have a live and let live attitude.

    Libertarians are not Catholic (I know some libertarians claim to be Catholic). Catholics realize that the governments of the world have a duty to protect the rights of God and enforce morality.


    Many Trads support Ron Paul. They believe that governments should not enforce morality


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    « Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 05:49:30 PM »
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    Many Trads support Ron Paul. They believe that governments should not enforce morality

    I know many "trads" support Ron Paul and believe that governments should not enforce morality. I do not consider them to be truly Catholic because they do not support the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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    « Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 05:49:54 PM »
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    Many libertarians are of the idea that the government should not be involved in deciding whether this or that type of marriage is more correct. They have a live and let live attitude.

    Libertarians are not Catholic (I know some libertarians claim to be Catholic). Catholics realize that the governments of the world have a duty to protect the rights of God and enforce morality.


    Many Trads support Ron Paul. They believe that governments should not enforce morality


    Then they are not traditional.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 06:09:45 PM »
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  • "Trads" who vote for Republicans and Democrats are not real traditionalists because both parties promote war, Jєωιѕн imperialism, usury, abortion (false opposition amongst themselves), fαɢɢօt marriage (controlled opposition by GOP), multi-culturalism (GOP lambasted Pat Buchanan over 20 years ago for being CORRECT about the damage & threat of multi-culturalism & illegals) etc. etc.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 07:17:29 PM »
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    Many libertarians are of the idea that the government should not be involved in deciding whether this or that type of marriage is more correct. They have a live and let live attitude.

    Libertarians are not Catholic (I know some libertarians claim to be Catholic). Catholics realize that the governments of the world have a duty to protect the rights of God and enforce morality.


    Many Trads support Ron Paul. They believe that governments should not enforce morality





    Please consider,
    This is not true. This is a great misconception exploited by progressive liberals in the US and always pointed at by pseudo conservatives as a flaw in US law.

      The American Bill of Rights forbids the federation of states, or what we know as the Federal government from enforcing morality. Remember it says "Congress shall make no law". The operative word there is Congress and it is a proper noun. This means the law points at one governmental body alone.  It is the federal Congress which is forbidden to enact laws concerning religion and by extension, morality. The power to do so was left to the states. Eight of the 13 original colonies had official religions. Many of these states required membership in the official religion as a requirement to hold office. Sounds like a great idea to me, as long as you live in a Catholic state. The Founding Fathers couldn't have been so duplicitous as to think government had no role in morality and then enact official religions themselves. No, in fact, law is enacted morality and they had a better grasp of it then we do today. The Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared, for example, that "the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend on piety, religion and morality." In other words, good moral laws are necessary for the people as well as the government.

    Some of the Founders were afraid of the Federal government and so they insisted on many restrictions for it, not their own states.

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